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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:32 am
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Ovine infatuation......I KNEW IT!

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:38 am
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Yep !!... If the going gets too tough... just resign !!

Maybe you shouldn't have engaged a discussion waaay beyond your intellect.. !!

Food for thought...

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:55 am
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Blertles wrote:
Lol.

I would say that's a very good summary of what we see.

Seems that sheeple are getting upset crying over spilt milk over something that has been violated on by their government for many decades.. Like its new to them.

I'm bored, I've got better things to do than to debate with paronoid hillbilly old fools over a irrelevant document that we couldn't care less over. It's been fun.

-Yawn.

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@Blertles,

I would suggest that you're easily bored with that which you do not understand..

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:41 am
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Ok, we'll let's take this back to the origin of this thread now. The overturn of private information by Verizon (and other companies & providers) to the NSA, also the perception that this has violated your rights or has been 'taken away' as noted in the title.

The irony of this discussion, is that this is all about privacy. Are phone conversations private? Perhaps. Are phone records private? are they protected by privacy laws? Maybe, or maybe not. If there is a reasonable suspicion of treason, or attempt to overthrow a government, then they are not covered by rights or constitutional laws of any kind. This is where the government can step in, and subject to anti-terrorism and security laws can take what they want if there is a reasonable doubt to do so. Given the amount of domestic terrorism threats over the years, there is your 'reasonable doubt'. To go above this, you may find that any leader of a country will have executive supreme power over national defence/intelligence agencies and constitutional laws, so in hindsight- they can do whatever they want and the end user has no option, except to stop using these services.

So that may lead you to want to ponder- are your 'rights' really just boundary laws and rules .

But here's the irony of it all. It's no secret that the world governments spy agencies aren't working as hard as they used to during the Cold War, when 80% of what they need to know now can be intercepted through Internet traffic. So when companies like Facebook, Google, Youtube, Microsoft, Apple, AOL and many others do their work for them, tracking your activities and users accept to them withheld all of your information such as birth dates, full name, friends, hobbies, location, photos, videos, Internet activities, Internet traffic, IP addresses, where you shop, where you live, where you work etc.. If you are willing to use your credit card online and consent to them gathering info on your buying habits and have them sell these details to companies who pay for advertising to be precisely directed towards your own buying behaviour, you consent to such information to be used and all intellectual information to be ultimately owned & withheld by these companies.

Perhaps people just have no clue that everything you do and everything you upload- its all tracked and you never own once it's on the Internet. There is no 'Delete' once its uploaded. Even if it is deleted, it's all still there. So information stored on the Internet, is this covered by a governing law? Does the Internet have 'Laws and Rights'? No, not at all- infact, it's very much a lawless frontier with its fair share of criminals, fraudsters, hackers, pirates, trolls, bots & vigilantes & anything that falls in the category.. It is also used to store & back up private and public information from companies and governments and hey- this can also include phone & billing records- if you are smart & savvy enough to use online billing.. :roll: If it does- then you may want to re-read all of your constitutional bill of rights and see if it will cover these, because you may find that they won't. That's one of the many loopholes that exist on the Internet today.

So my point is the irony when everyone gets upset about their phone contacts and call logs and scream 'My Rights Are Lost!!' - these are people who voluntarily share their life stories online and all other activities (and then some..) can not see that forest is before the trees? You may find that even you have already given away enough information that you would probably have a cardiac arrest if you only know what was out there about you.. Just because its password protected & encrypted, doesn't mean that it's private.

Bigots who argue like fools bore me.
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:17 pm
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“Bigots”?

So any American Citizen who cherishes freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of association, and the freedom to keep those concepts confidential from the intrusive and coercive eyes of a government run amok is a bigot?

Those “bigots” you mention liberated Europe from the yoke of Nazi tyranny, slayed Soviet hopes for world hegemony, lifted mankind to the moon and beyond, pioneered most major medical advances to the benefit of all humanity, and lead relief efforts around the world whenever natural calamity strikes.

I can easily see how such bigotry would cause you consternation. And I suppose I must stipulate to being such a “bigot”.

Better a bigot than a barnyard Romeo......

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his herd oh so comely
yet cowered in fright

He’s bonked all the ewes
And buggered the rams
Now all that is left
Are the poor little lambs


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:41 pm
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I guess I am also a bigot


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:26 pm
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No, I wouldn't do the US citizens the injustice of being categorised in such bracket as yourself and mr lightnin for thinking that 'Australasians are clueless' and looked down upon because we are a part of the British empire & commonwealth.. I mean, that would be fairly judgmental of myself wouldn't it?

But anyway, as you believe the US liberated Europe from the Nazis on its own as depicted in Hollywood, and you saved us all from the Soviets that were apparently- out to dominate the world.. Not to mention the great benefit to us all when man supposedly stepped on the moon, well that's just cute. :lol:

Tell you what mate, print this form out and fill it in as best you can, We can take steps to heal your butthurt without the need for anymore childish riddles & poems.. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:27 pm
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No, you are clueless about the American form of government, the parameters of this thread as specified by the OP, and the philosophical propensity of political leaders to relentlessly usurp as much freedom from people as those they govern will abide.

Your naiveté speaks volumes.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:10 pm
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I think this thread has run its course. I participated earlier but I really got sick of the name calling and downright silliness.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:50 pm
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Blertles wrote:
No, I wouldn't do the US citizens the injustice of being categorised in such bracket as yourself and mr lightnin for thinking that 'Australasians are clueless' and looked down upon because we are a part of the British empire & commonwealth.. I mean, that would be fairly judgmental of myself wouldn't it?

But anyway, as you believe the US liberated Europe from the Nazis on its own as depicted in Hollywood, and you saved us all from the Soviets that were apparently- out to dominate the world.. Not to mention the great benefit to us all when man supposedly stepped on the moon, well that's just cute. :lol:

Tell you what mate, print this form out and fill it in as best you can, We can take steps to heal your butthurt without the need for anymore childish riddles & poems.. :mrgreen:

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You personally would be Japanese if the USA hadn't defeated them just above Australia. Your elders would tell you that if you weren't such a modernist punk. Do you even own a guitar? I have tried to get you to quit being abrasive, but I quit. Your opinions mean nothing to us. The men you think you are fooling are all American veterans who truly think you are a dope head sheep abuser. Good Bye.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:43 am
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GTG wrote:
Blertles wrote:
No, I wouldn't do the US citizens the injustice of being categorised in such bracket as yourself and mr lightnin for thinking that 'Australasians are clueless' and looked down upon because we are a part of the British empire & commonwealth.. I mean, that would be fairly judgmental of myself wouldn't it?

But anyway, as you believe the US liberated Europe from the Nazis on its own as depicted in Hollywood, and you saved us all from the Soviets that were apparently- out to dominate the world.. Not to mention the great benefit to us all when man supposedly stepped on the moon, well that's just cute. :lol:

Tell you what mate, print this form out and fill it in as best you can, We can take steps to heal your butthurt without the need for anymore childish riddles & poems.. :mrgreen:

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You personally would be Japanese if the USA hadn't defeated them just above Australia. Your elders would tell you that if you weren't such a modernist punk. Do you even own a guitar? I have tried to get you to quit being abrasive, but I quit. Your opinions mean nothing to us. The men you think you are fooling are all American veterans who truly think you are a dope head sheep abuser. Good Bye.


What he said... !!

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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:56 am
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The Euros and the Australasians are quick to criticize any faux pas of US Foreign policy.

Yet they fully discount the fact that due to the lifelong efforts of Arjay, T2 and hundreds of thousands of others, some of whom are not with us today, you've been freed from eating Borchst, working a heavy Industrial factory job, with the only hope of getting a better apartment or vacation on the Caspian Sea.

You are free to create discord, be contrary, and speak your mind because of their dedication to an ideal that Mankind should be free to pursue their own Destiny !

So go ahead and chat with your Pseudo-intellectual friends, demean these efforts and hold every American misstep to the light for hyper-review...

Go ahead... we got your back !!

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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:43 pm
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The Euros and the Australasians are quick to criticize any faux pas of US Foreign policy.

Yet they fully discount the fact that due to the lifelong efforts of Arjay, T2 and hundreds of thousands of others, some of whom are not with us today, you've been freed from eating Borchst, working a heavy Industrial factory job, with the only hope of getting a better apartment or vacation on the Caspian Sea.

You are free to create discord, be contrary, and speak your mind because of their dedication to an ideal that Mankind should be free to pursue their own Destiny !

So go ahead and chat with your Pseudo-intellectual friends, demean these efforts and hold every American misstep to the light for hyper-review...

Go ahead... we got your back !!

cheers!


Yeah, nothing like serving for 28 Years active duty and going through three wars (four if you count the cold war), and taking enemy fire in one on several occasions, just so a pot smoking fool can question the protection we provide :roll: It is of course the right we provided him, but the correct thing to do would be to just say thank you and STFU!

I have seen his type before and the minute the going gets tuff, they run. He tries to hide behind his intellect, but doesn't have the inner fortitude to go beyond his keyboard. He would last about 10 minutes under my command before I sent him packing.

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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:15 pm
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In my jungle, over-reliance on intellect usually gets the cupcakes greased pretty quickly. It takes an absolute visceral will to survive and accomplish the mission in the face of mortal terror.

Just an observation......

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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:18 pm
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+1 to you. BTW, I deserved to be on that status. :mrgreen:


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