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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:44 am
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I don't see how any migrant to the UK is struggling in the slightest, aside from the usual upset of moving to a new country and adjusting to it. We pride ourselves on acceptance and the good welfare of fellow man in this country.

What a complete non point

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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:44 am
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nikininja wrote:
I don't see how any migrant to the UK is struggling in the slightest, aside from the usual upset of moving to a new country and adjusting to it. We pride ourselves on acceptance and the good welfare of fellow man in this country.

What a complete non point


So, the London Riots of Aug. 6 - 10, 2011 (known as the Blackberry Riots) didn't happen or weren't racially motivated?

I believe it all started when Police shot and killed a black, Mark Duggan and spread across the city through the burroughs of Hackney, Brixton, Chingford, Walthamstow, Peckham, Enfield, Battersea, Croydon, Ealing, and East Ham, Oxford Circus.

Then of course there was that nasty business back in 1981 - the Brixton riot, Handsworth riots, Chapeltown riots, and Toxteth riots in Liverpool. These too were found, by the Scarman report to be racially motivated.

I dunno, it's just what I read.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:41 am
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No they weren't racially motivated. Duggan was a threat to police and had a long history of antagonistic action towards the police. When he brandished a toy gun at them, or whatever it was, they responded in their usual idiotic bullyboy manner. They respond like that regardless of skin colour, trust me.

The rioting itself on behalf of the public was just an excuse for people to get free stuff when the looting happened. It sparked off at places completely unrelated to the area of London where Duggan was shot or where he lived. Like cities 200 miles away.
Even the sleepy town where I live, twice voted the most boring place in England. We had a gang of (white) youths hanging around the Asda (owned by Wallmart) looking threatening. Which the criminals in uniform responded heavily to, to quell any uprising before it happened.
Shame really, I had a right good shopping list drawn up and a massive van, for when it all kicked off here.

One thing people quickly learn in the aftermath of a riot is that it's fun whilst taking place, but tomorrow you're homeless.
The aftermath of those events did more to bring the community together than it did separate them.

Here is a brief description of the minor racial troubles in the UK. You have 2 main antagonists and a political pressure group.

UKIP are the political pressure group. They are not inherently racist as a political group. They want the UK to get out of Europe. They attract a lot of racist supporters because of this. But as much of a clown as Nigel Farrage is, he's not racist, doesn't want to kick anyone out of the country. And I suspect is embarrassed by the support of such people. He's simply an idealist that wants to stand for people that want away from Brussels control.

Then you have the BNP. Now these are a bunch of pernicious troglodytes. Completely xenophobic, completely racist towards all people that aren't 42nd generation Roman. They are a political party that hopes one day to attain office. They are the remnants of the National Front and groups like Combat18, grown up and put suits on. They do gain some seats, but are rejected, ignored and outright insulted when they try and partake in political events.

Then you have the most idiotic group, The EDL, English Defence League.
These are just a shower of clowns, clowns that believe anything and clowns that want to brainwash others to their thinking with their tired old rhetoric that doesn't hold up on anything but a 1-2-1 interaction.
These idiots claim to be non-racist, they just want all Muslims ejected from England. The group is completely fractured with people leaving daily to join neo-nazi parties. Hacker group Anonymous recently compiled a list of their contributors and their criminal convictions. It was surprising to see how many were convicted of sexual conduct with minors.

Then conversely you have groups like Antifa and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) at the other end of the scale. These groups are no less violent, no less trouble making. But at least you're ok with them, if you're not a nazi.

This short video is a perfect example of racial tension in the UK today when the EDL decided they would march through Brighton. 150 on the march, around 3000 protesting against them.


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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:15 am
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nikininja wrote:
No they weren't racially motivated. Duggan was a threat to police and had a long history of antagonistic action towards the police. When he brandished a toy gun at them, or whatever it was, they responded in their usual idiotic bullyboy manner. They respond like that regardless of skin colour, trust me.

The rioting itself on behalf of the public was just an excuse for people to get free stuff when the looting happened. It sparked off at places completely unrelated to the area of London where Duggan was shot or where he lived. Like cities 200 miles away.
Even the sleepy town where I live, twice voted the most boring place in England. We had a gang of (white) youths hanging around the Asda (owned by Wallmart) looking threatening. Which the criminals in uniform responded heavily to, to quell any uprising before it happened.
Shame really, I had a right good shopping list drawn up and a massive van, for when it all kicked off here.

One thing people quickly learn in the aftermath of a riot is that it's fun whilst taking place, but tomorrow you're homeless.
The aftermath of those events did more to bring the community together than it did separate them.

Here is a brief description of the minor racial troubles in the UK. You have 2 main antagonists and a political pressure group.

UKIP are the political pressure group. They are not inherently racist as a political group. They want the UK to get out of Europe. They attract a lot of racist supporters because of this. But as much of a clown as Nigel Farrage is, he's not racist, doesn't want to kick anyone out of the country. And I suspect is embarrassed by the support of such people. He's simply an idealist that wants to stand for people that want away from Brussels control.

Then you have the BNP. Now these are a bunch of pernicious troglodytes. Completely xenophobic, completely racist towards all people that aren't 42nd generation Roman. They are a political party that hopes one day to attain office. They are the remnants of the National Front and groups like Combat18, grown up and put suits on. They do gain some seats, but are rejected, ignored and outright insulted when they try and partake in political events.

Then you have the most idiotic group, The EDL, English Defence League.
These are just a shower of clowns, clowns that believe anything and clowns that want to brainwash others to their thinking with their tired old rhetoric that doesn't hold up on anything but a 1-2-1 interaction.
These idiots claim to be non-racist, they just want all Muslims ejected from England. The group is completely fractured with people leaving daily to join neo-nazi parties. Hacker group Anonymous recently compiled a list of their contributors and their criminal convictions. It was surprising to see how many were convicted of sexual conduct with minors.

Then conversely you have groups like Antifa and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) at the other end of the scale. These groups are no less violent, no less trouble making. But at least you're ok with them, if you're not a nazi.

This short video is a perfect example of racial tension in the UK today when the EDL decided they would march through Brighton. 150 on the march, around 3000 protesting against them.


Well, I think you made my point. Your explanation of the events I've cited contradicts your own Press on the matter and the Scarman Report, whom I believe is one of your MPs, to the Prime Minister.

You state: "We pride ourselves on acceptance and the good welfare of fellow man in this country." and then go on to say (paraphrasing here) except for this group, oh yea... that group too and then there's these guys, but they're Neo-nazis.

Not sure you can have it both ways. You are making arguments for my point.

My point was that the Brits and French have always been very smug in chastising America for it's troubles during our Civil Rights era. But it seems you are now both going through the same things and the evidence would suggest I am correct.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:33 am
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I don't see smugness.

The US has a long history of racial tension, which runs deeper than any other nations problems, as it stems from slavery and segregation, and having to be dragged to the civil rights table.

Only South Africa has had a comparable history in that regard.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:09 am
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So a politician and tabloid rags are believable. Don't be daft.

As for fringe extremist groups name one nation that has non.


The only thing I would suggest about America is its high level of paranoia and intolerance of any nation they can't export to.

Surely you saw in the video the vast outnumbering of the extremists by ordinary members of the public sickened by them.

But hey don't accept an accurate video representation of public feeling towards such people if it makes you feel secure

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:07 pm
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True that. Every nation has them, New Zealand has the National Front which is a neo nazi white supremacist movement.To every movement, there is also a counter movement.

Bearing in mind, these movements are always as all minority of people that have backward views of society. They will always discriminate also not forgetting race, colour, gender, homosexuality, religion and so on and so on. They can also be in the pockets of churches and politicians that have strong views on immigration and people that don't share their beliefs on religion etc..

I've been to 17 different countries and in one form or another, I've seen it everywhere Ive been. Extremist Islam to fundamentalist & evangelical Christianity that preaches hatred towards those who are !@$ or even atheists- and in between in the communities that largely support an ethnic group of people would be opposed in some small way at least to someone moving in the house across the street who isn't the right colour for the neighbourhood.

Everywhere I've been, I've embraced culture and respect of other people and I've also been very intolerant to those who have a bigoted view of any society part from their own. For some it's a pleasurable learning & life changing experience, to others it's an unpleasurable wake up call.

**Added** For the sake of this post, it's disappointing and underwhelming that one cannot post the three letter G A Y word without it being edited and red flagged above.. I would have thought that it wasn't a bad word, but that's in the eyes of the beholder isn't it.. Well, that proves a point really doesn't it. :?

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:43 pm
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The only point you've demonstrably proved is that you're absolutely clueless about the God-given rights of United States citizens and their government's determination to ride roughshod over them despite ironclad assurances to the contrary which are lawfully codified in the Bill Of Rights......WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:36 pm
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Arjay, you've inspired a search for bill's of rights generally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_rights
and for the United States Bill Of Rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

thanks for reminding me how much I've forgotten, lol.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:46 pm
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God invented privacy?

Jefferson intended the Constitution as a secular document. Any mention of religion was intended to cover freedom of expression. I don't see it saying God gave anything.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:02 pm
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You know even less than your buddy.

Does the phrase "endowed by Our Creator" strike a chord?

Stick to what you know (which most certainly isn't the founding documents of the United States Of America).

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:41 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
I don't see smugness.


Exactly...

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nikininja wrote:
The only thing I would suggest about America is its high level of paranoia and intolerance of any nation they can't export to.



You're Sick !!

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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:20 am
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Lol.

I would say that's a very good summary of what we see.

Seems that sheeple are getting upset crying over spilt milk over something that has been violated on by their government for many decades.. Like its new to them.

I'm bored, I've got better things to do than to debate with paronoid hillbilly old fools over a irrelevant document that we couldn't care less over. It's been fun.

-Yawn.

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