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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:47 am
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Oh god.. :roll:

"The idea is to change the Middle East.." -why and what business is it of anyone's? What was the actual real reasoning behind the 9/11 attacks? There was a motive for this, it wasn't random. Someone else felt they were attacked and they wanted to be heard. Their freedom had been attacked long before this event happened... In Iraq, there is oil and lots of it - that was the only thing driving that war...


I love it when Australasians jump into these discussions. Living at the bottom of the World, they have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about the rest of the World.

Add to this that they are former Dominions and current Commonwealth Countries of Great Britain.

There isn't a trouble spot in the World which doesn't have it's roots in British Foreign policy.

This is especially true of the Middle East in general, and Iraq specifically. Britain's need for oil to fuel it's Dreadnoughts a century ago caused them to foment unrest of the former authority (House of Hapsburg/Austro-Hungarian Empire) and upon invasion, to redefine the entire area.

Lines were drawn on Maps which TOTALLY ignored ancient boundaries, cultures and religious beliefs. Why do you think the Kurds are a minority? Because the British stripped them of their sovreignty and made them subject to Bagdad without so much as a voice.

With people's knowledge of History, coupled with their collective 15 minute attention span, it's not difficult to see why the US is blamed for the troubles today which are really a British pot boiling over.

I have had the pleasure to visit Australasia on several occasions, incl. NZ and found the countries fascinating, the people lovely, but clueless.

As an aside, my favorite joke about Kiwis is:

Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


Fine with me if the thread is locked; talking to Brick Walls, or jousting with unarmed men, pretty much bores the crap out of me...

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:12 am
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Wow. :lol: really- you know everything do you? Is this where your going to tell me how superior you are above everyone else who is from Great Britain or a commonwealth country? Can't handle an opinion that doesn't support the war or US foreign policy eh? Welcome to the rest of the world.

I was merely pointing out what was factually stated as reasons for the invasion. Followed by some valid questions..

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:22 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
Blertles wrote:
Oh god.. :roll:

"The idea is to change the Middle East.." -why and what business is it of anyone's? What was the actual real reasoning behind the 9/11 attacks? There was a motive for this, it wasn't random. Someone else felt they were attacked and they wanted to be heard. Their freedom had been attacked long before this event happened... In Iraq, there is oil and lots of it - that was the only thing driving that war...


I love it when Australasians jump into these discussions. Living at the bottom of the World, they have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about the rest of the World.

Add to this that they are former Dominions and current Commonwealth Countries of Great Britain.

There isn't a trouble spot in the World which doesn't have it's roots in British Foreign policy.

This is especially true of the Middle East in general, and Iraq specifically. Britain's need for oil to fuel it's Dreadnoughts a century ago caused them to foment unrest of the former authority (House of Hapsburg/Austro-Hungarian Empire) and upon invasion, to redefine the entire area.

Lines were drawn on Maps which TOTALLY ignored ancient boundaries, cultures and religious beliefs. Why do you think the Kurds are a minority? Because the British stripped them of their sovreignty and made them subject to Bagdad without so much as a voice.

With people's knowledge of History, coupled with their collective 15 minute attention span, it's not difficult to see why the US is blamed for the troubles today which are really a British pot boiling over.

I have had the pleasure to visit Australasia on several occasions, incl. NZ and found the countries fascinating, the people lovely, but clueless.

As an aside, my favorite joke about Kiwis is:

Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


Fine with me if the thread is locked; talking to Brick Walls, or jousting with unarmed men, pretty much bores the crap out of me...

Happy Fourth Ya'll !!

cheers!


Rude, ignorant and childish. You should be ashamed of yourself.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:46 am
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'merican mahogany, because it's 'merican! All other mahogany is ignorant. :evil: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:37 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:

I love it when Australasians jump into these discussions. Living at the bottom of the World, they have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about the rest of the World.

Y'think? How condescending. I've found those who only have opinions, and a limited capacity to think or debate, tend to find comfort in name calling.

The fact you found many Australians 'clueless' suggests that you got an idea of how the rest of the world feels about US foreign policy. Because we're a fair reflection of that.

I think it's true that British Imperialism bought and sold countries during its Mid east interference. Do your history and find out how the US learnt from that, and took up where they left off - mostly covertly til 1990.

Look up how the Shah gained power in Iran in '59, and his brutality lead to the Ayatollah taking over, taking a secular nation into medieval theocracy. Where did the Shah get safe exile?

Who supported Saddam to 'control' Iran? While also arming the Kurds insurgence against Iraq, destabilising both nations, so that both dictators would agree to a treaty. Then the Kurds were cut off, and left to Saddam.

Who armed and supported the Mujahedin (later to become the Taliban) against the Soviets in Afghanistan, via their Saudi and Pakistani allies? bin Laden was a recruiter of these fighters.

The point of this is to highlight there's far more going on that you'll get from a White house presser, or a govt report. Or Fox News. If you only believe what you want to hear, that's the sort of places where you'll get it.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:23 am
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Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


:lol:

When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:47 am
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[quote="Blertles"]Wow. :lol: really- you know everything do you? Is this where your going to tell me how superior you are above everyone else who is from Great Britain or a commonwealth country? Can't handle an opinion that doesn't support the war or US foreign policy eh? Welcome to the rest of the world.

I was merely pointing out what was factually stated as reasons for the invasion. Followed by some valid questions..

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This gives you an idea of what we are dealing with in our country, as we celebrate 4th of July:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... lution/?hp

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


:lol:

When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:mrgreen:

Arjay


Taking this racial now eh? That just lowers it to another level. Since we are holier than thou, tell me more about the human rights Native American and Black citizens have enjoyed throughout history.. :)

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:53 pm
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Blertles wrote:
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When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.


Taking this racial now eh? That just lowers it to another level. Since we are holier than thou, tell me more about the human rights Native American and Black citizens have enjoyed throughout history.. :)


Bertles, I believe the point of the post was to say maybe you shouldn't be the one to throw stones. Why not just drop it? Nobody here is 'winning'.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:01 pm
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Blertles wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


:lol:

When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:mrgreen:

Arjay


Taking this racial now eh? That just lowers it to another level. Since we are holier than thou, tell me more about the human rights Native American and Black citizens have enjoyed throughout history.. :)


Not really anything Racial at all. The Blacks were thrust upon us by the British ..!!!

Slavery was prohibited in England, but was promoted and established in the American Colonies. It was part of the refuse left behind by the British when we kicked them out. And even then, the British became the main suppliers in the Slave Trade with America.

I was raised in Europe in the late 50s/early 60s and heard more than once the distain of many Europeans of our civil rights troubles in America at the time.

It's very interesting that 50 years later, since the dissolution of their former Colonies (mainly the British and the French) and a subsequent influx of non-native, non-whites to England and France, that they too are stuggling with civil rights issues just as we were back in the 60s. The Australians and New Zealanders have gone through the same things with their indigionous populations. So much for Moral Superiority now that the shoe is on the other foot !

As for the Native Americans, it's quite simple... they lost. You'll likely counter that they were defensless against firearms, but I know of no inherent reason that Native Americans couldn't/didn't develop metalurgy, gunpowder or firearms of their own, all the materials can be found here and the technology was not that complex, they just didn't do it.

Every Peoples have been taken over by others at some time in their history from Europe and Africa by the Egyptians and Romans to the aboriginal peoples of both Autralia and New Zealand.

I am not personally responsible for any of it. My people immigrated to the US from Ireland (where they were virtual slaves to British Landlords) in 1888, a full 25 years after the Emancipation Proclamation. In other words, my Great-Grand Daddy never owned anyone else's Great-Grand Daddy.

And while they are afforded special priviledge, no Black in America today was ever a Slave or forced to pick cotton under the threat of a whip. It is unfair that I should suffer because Blacks receive preferrential treatment via Affirmative Action in hiring, access to mortgages and educational scholorships simply because they are Black.

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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
Q: What do you call a Kiwi who doesn't have sex with sheep...??

A: Celebate !


:lol:

When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:mrgreen:

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Ironically, that joke was told to me by a close Kiwi friend of mine - Colin Ewart !

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Blertles wrote:
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When they grow bored of ravishing the herds they can always find some Maori's to torment.


Taking this racial now eh? That just lowers it to another level. Since we are holier than thou, tell me more about the human rights Native American and Black citizens have enjoyed throughout history.. :)


Bertles, I believe the point of the post was to say maybe you shouldn't be the one to throw stones. Why not just drop it? Nobody here is 'winning'.


If you read this thread carefully you will see I didn't throw stones, they were thrown at me because some people can't handle an outside opinion.

To be honest I don't really care. I didn't really push any hot buttons with my original post- like I said, all it was were two videos with some factual numbers & questions to awaken the mind- thats all. What is interesting is the amount of butthurt people get when you approach the subject and how sensitive and childish the reactions are. To suggest or joke that we torment Maori is racism towards Any Maori just by joking about them. I don't care what was meant or where you're from- but to suggest that when my country have led by example by settling treaty claims and restoring ancestors rights to lands and honouring their cultural rights and customs. Like anyone here cares about that anyway, but to throw stones when you sit in glass houses is more of a joke than the lame sheep jokes regurgetated from google searches.

To also throw insults for an argument case is also a good measurement of maturity of whos trying to argue against me, which is why I enjoy trolling the daylights out of old people stupid enough to argue like that. It's like poking faces at monkeys in a cage. to even think that anyone is trying to win an argument, well..

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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:11 am
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Sheeesh now the whole of South America's P'd off, apparently the Bolivian President has had his rights taken away, not clever :roll:


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