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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:34 pm
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:56 pm
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After all, how can you call it democracy when the Supreme Court is doing it's damnedest to see a portion of voters are disallowed because of their ethnicity.


Ours is NOT a democracy.

It is a representative republic.

Those who fail to grasp the distinction have no business belaboring or discussing the issue.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:08 pm
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... For some reason the costs of the Bush's trips to Africa cannot be located.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/14/ ... spree.html

And Hawaii is in the United States now; check it out:

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/moder ... aii_1.html


Really... Bush... Really...??

How long is that 'The Dog Ate my Homework', catch-all of an excuse going to be propped up by the obamatrons to try and shield obama from his own bumblings.. ??

(You realize using it makes you look cretinous... don't you..??)

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Your opinion of me is irrelevant. The post was about the amount of money the current president spent on a diplomatic trip, and my post was comparing his spending on such a trip to other presidents.

Does that make sense?

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:09 pm
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Now put those thinking caps on, and get that Omega3 workin', and tell me what Jimi Hendrix, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy and President Obama have in common??

Yep-they all play Fender Stratocasters and they all have enriched our lives!

Ok-the president plays a Gibson Les Paul. Darn it!

http://www.dv247.com/news/Barack%20Obam ... ul!/131932


I meant Robert Cray, not Albert Collins.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:20 pm
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Ours is NOT a democracy.

It is a representative republic.

Those who fail to grasp the distinction have no business belaboring or discussing the issue.

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And we all can see clearly, which portion of society is being represented. The portion that controls the cash flow.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:50 pm
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I'm sure Obama looks like a real bumbler compared to Bush...


Who's making any comparison...??
(except you of course...)

Bush had his bumbling, no intelligent person cannot deny this...

But, that in no way excuses the lies, secrecy, mis-steps, bad judgement or total lack transperancy of obama and his administration.

History will not judge obama kindly.

cheers!


Seriously? Bush started a war based on lies - that's the thing that's crippled your economy. WMDs in Iraq, for those short of memory.

Lies since attributed to 'bad intelligence'. Anyone buying that is happy to be fooled.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:22 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
nikininja wrote:
After all, how can you call it democracy when the Supreme Court is doing it's damnedest to see a portion of voters are disallowed because of their ethnicity.


Ours is NOT a democracy.

It is a representative republic.

Those who fail to grasp the distinction have no business belaboring or discussing the issue.

Arjay


+1

And the reason the US economy has not recovered is not due to what Bush did or didn't do...it has to do with what Obama has done... trying to cherry pick certain businesses (and most went bankrupt, because his business savy is NIL) to do well and the rest of the businesses don't trust him not to screw them, so they are keeping their cash in reserves. And as it turns out, the IRS has been used against not just political rivals, but businesses as well. Businesses are simply waiting him out and working to get rid of his biggest business crippling work...Obamacare!

And lastly if you did not fight personally in the Iraq war, your opinion means little to this Veteran of that war. Did I like being shot at? Hell no, but it was my duty that I signed up for...my choice, not anyone elses!

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:07 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
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I'm sure Obama looks like a real bumbler compared to Bush...


Who's making any comparison...??
(except you of course...)

Bush had his bumbling, no intelligent person cannot deny this...

But, that in no way excuses the lies, secrecy, mis-steps, bad judgement or total lack transperancy of obama and his administration.

History will not judge obama kindly.

cheers!


Seriously? Bush started a war based on lies - that's the thing that's crippled your economy. WMDs in Iraq, for those short of memory.

Lies since attributed to 'bad intelligence'. Anyone buying that is happy to be fooled.


And how much did it cost? Only $1.7 trillion tax dollars.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:27 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
Drubbing wrote:
I'm sure Obama looks like a real bumbler compared to Bush...


Who's making any comparison...??
(except you of course...)

Bush had his bumbling, no intelligent person cannot deny this...

But, that in no way excuses the lies, secrecy, mis-steps, bad judgement or total lack transperancy of obama and his administration.

History will not judge obama kindly.

cheers!


Seriously? Bush started a war based on lies - that's the thing that's crippled your economy. WMDs in Iraq, for those short of memory.

Lies since attributed to 'bad intelligence'. Anyone buying that is happy to be fooled.


Really... ???

Suggest changing your sc to G.Ullible !

There is BIG difference between Bad Intelligence or the analysis of it, and Lies.

It was well known that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons in the 1980s against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. It is also known that in the 1980s he pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was actually built.

After Gulf War I, the United Nations located and destroyed hundreds of tons of Iraqi chemical weapons and related equipment and materials throughout the early 1990s, with varying degrees of Iraqi cooperation and obstruction. These are facts which cannot really be disputed.

A CIA report that a former Iraqi chemical engineer who had defected in 1999 and was a key intelligence asset named Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (code-named 'Curveball') claimed that he had worked as a chemical engineer at a plant that manufactured mobile biological weapon laboratories as part of an Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program. That this program was covert and continued in violation of the peace accord from GW I.

Further adding to the mix, on 24 September 2002, the British government published a report on the former Iraqi leader's WMD with a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured readers that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt". Again, these are all facts which cannot be disputed.

There are 2 fundamental flaws inherent with Intelligence;

The first is that the decision makers do not see the raw data (or would not know what to make of it if they did). This data is compressed and analyzed by many individuals who each place different priorities and different spins on it until a final report is produced.

The second fundamental flaw is that the decision maker recieving these reports can choose to accept or ignore them, no matter how accurate they may or may not be.

In this case, a trusted infomant who had been 'inside' Iraq's WMD program made detailed reports of what he knew, and these were 'confirmed' by one of our most trusted allies. Anyone would have to give this serious consideration.

Bush decided to accept the Intelligence and acted.

As we all know, subsequently, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi recanted his statements and the British Intelligence was found to be incorrect, leaving Bush holding the proverbial Bag.

But, that is a far cry from intentionally lying about it.

Hate to be the one to bring these inconvenient facts to your attention, and sorry if it makes your brain hurt.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:13 pm
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They were good enough to locate and wipe out all potential sources of chemical weapons manufacture - they were pretty reliable with their intel then, weren't they?

The British govt wanted to see the same truth as Bush, and were selling the same crap. Anything less made it very difficult to justify a 'coalition' needed to avoid the blowback of the US going in alone as 'world police'.

And all this, mostly on the evidence of one person - who has since recanted it? Oh, how convenient. Or were two major governments and their highly trained intel officer all fooled by one guy. Please...

If one persons info was never corroborated and confirmed, then it's not reliable. But they didn't care about that, they wanted to sell an invasion to the public. They were so busy doing that, no one ever thought of what was going to happen after that, nor any exit strategy.

My brain works just fine. I wasn't a kid when all that started. I can read and make a decision not force fed to me by government sources or a compliant media. There was plenty of dissent and disbelief at the premise both govts were hanging their case on - at the time they were making it. Perhaps the US media never bothered to ask those sorts of questions?

You've still got Bush to thank for the economic mess you're in, whatever you choose to believe about the 'necessity' and justification of that war.


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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:48 pm
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:56 pm
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Tough issues, they go beyond the scope
of a debate framed only on 3 or 4 variables.

But I do hear presidents in succession speak
of "peace" and "American interests abroad" in
the same sentence.

Geo-politics has never interested me all that much,
and after reading Alvin Toffler´s The Third Wave,
well I had to agree to the Energy theory, and how
oil incides on everything.

What worries me is just how out of control modern
civilization seems to be. It feels like getting on a
flight only to look into the cabin and discover there´s
no one flying the plane!

And my heart-felt sympathy for the theory of having
nations go back to local affairs and domestic agendas
also feels kind of childish.
Trying to go in and shove modernity down the throats
of medieval societies doesn´t seem to be working either.
Just watching Kurds and Chiates go at each other makes
me wonder.

I take refuge in ideas such as the ones presented in the
movie "One."
Robert Thurman says in that documentary,
"This is it. This is Nirvana...Only we are really bad at enjoying it."

PS: I´ll go with American Mahogany and the gorgeous and
un-appreciated Paloscrito wood from the Mexican North-east.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:02 am
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Oh god.. :roll:

Well, I'll also add that there were no WMD's found. Niether were there any complex underground bunkers found either. Straight from the horses mouth:





"The idea is to change the Middle East.." -why and what business is it of anyone's? What was the actual real reasoning behind the 9/11 attacks? There was a motive for this, it wasn't random. Someone else felt they were attacked and they wanted to be heard. Their freedom had been attacked long before this event happened, although you won't hear that in media.

Lies lies lies that has crippled the US economy today..

In Iraq, there is oil and lots of it - that was the only thing driving that war. Say what you want about chemical weapons used, but there were no WMD's and the british govt admited that there wasnt. Over the course of the war to date, media feeds us all that the coalition death toll to be approx 4,800 although no-one speaks of the civillian death toll- which is grossly manipulated from 100,000 to perhaps a truer figure of 700,000. People gunned down when they were going about their daily business, who pays them respect? No-one except their families and friends. No one calls them heroes, just victims- if that.

I don't see a military invasion to Syria to stop them using their chemical weapons despite Assad and his forces killing over 100,000 innocent civilians, some of which chemically. There are many global conflicts however, most of which are unheard in the media.

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the IRS has been used against not just political rivals, but businesses as well. Businesses are simply waiting him out and working to get rid of his biggest business crippling work...Obamacare


There is nothing wrong with Obamacare- it was bringing it in line with UK, Australia & NZ and many other countries i cant name- they have used that same system for decades and it works. Greedy insurance companies in the pockets of former administrations had it too good for too long and tax payer funded healthcare is moving forward. Believe me, a society where everyone gets healthcare is a good one. Denied healthcare to those who can't afford it is not exercising ones basic right to good health. You may think that this is an added expense to tax, but it's better going back into health systems. Give it 10-15 years and the benefits will be obvious.

This thread needs to be shut down- I'm very surprised it hasn't already happened.

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With SCOTUS, ALEC, anti-Choice legislation, the US is fast becoming a far-right wing corporatocracy. Dangerous times indeed.

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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:42 am
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Propaganda again.
The majority view of the UK that I've heard is that, that war was completely unjustified. That Blair and Bush ought be tried as war criminals.

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