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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:43 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:27 pm
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Just pass the axe and I'll swing like Babe Ruth. I maintain, the only successful democracy this world has ever seen is the French one circa 1793


Don't forget W! :D After all, he authored the Police State Act and started that stupid needless pointless war in Iraq.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:29 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Just pass the axe and I'll swing like Babe Ruth. I maintain, the only successful democracy this world has ever seen is the French one circa 1793


Don't forget W! :D After all, he authored the Police State Act and started that stupid needless pointless war in Iraq.


spacewolf, I can not speak of the actual things that have occurred and are occurring now regarding America because I really do like Brad and everyone here more than I can express and because of the big brother truth I will keep those facts and figures to myself. I forgive you for pointing at W because in this mess we now have his efforts to do the right things wouldn't amount to a spot on my t-shirt, as grand as you might think Iraq was there is stuff that has happened and is ongoing that make Iraq seem like a garden party. My worry is that I now have only two options left. One, stand up like a man to shield my family and loved ones by absorbing the first volley, in the words of an American hero "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country". Second, to try and move as many as I can to political asylum before the slaughter gets any worse.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:54 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Just pass the axe and I'll swing like Babe Ruth. I maintain, the only successful democracy this world has ever seen is the French one circa 1793


Don't forget W! :D After all, he authored the Police State Act and started that stupid needless pointless war in Iraq.


spacewolf, I can not speak of the actual things that have occurred and are occurring now regarding America because I really do like Brad and everyone here more than I can express and because of the big brother truth I will keep those facts and figures to myself. I forgive you for pointing at W because in this mess we now have his efforts to do the right things wouldn't amount to a spot on my t-shirt, as grand as you might think Iraq was there is stuff that has happened and is ongoing that make Iraq seem like a garden party. My worry is that I now have only two options left. One, stand up like a man to shield my family and loved ones by absorbing the first volley, in the words of an American hero "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country". Second, to try and move as many as I can to political asylum before the slaughter gets any worse.
Rollie - now you really have me worried about you. Keep in mind that in a democracy, legislation can be repealed.

The problem isn't really the politicians, it's US - we LET THEM do this to us. If Americans would remember who voted for this on election day, then we could vote them out and vote people into office to repeal it. But the politicians know they can just redirect us with vacuous social issues and by election day no one will remember who voted for this. What we need is a MOVEMENT, like the one in the '60s. If we don't want to live in the United Surveillance States of America, then we need to make it clear that we won't stand for it. Civil disobedience has changed the world.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:20 pm
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Civil disobedience has changed the world.


+1

Gandhi, King, and Walesa are significant examples.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:25 pm
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spacewolf my Brother I accept my responsibility in this. Complacency, self centeredness, while this monster was growing, while innocent blood was shed, suffering and mistreatment of our fellow citizens before our very eyes, sometimes right under our noses and many like me didn't say or do anything choosing instead to turn away persuing jobs and carreers, better grades in school, more mates to play with, anything but responsibility to our Brothers Sisters country. Those that will bring this great country down now where always planning this, didn't lose sight of there goals, gained control of the education system media and voting booths. I'm from Chicago the template for corruption, perhaps the finest example of greed over men and women in mankinds history. I never thought it would leave here so did nothing to fight it's influence. That fight is over and now this country brainwashed and moving like lemmings towards the cliff couldn't vote their way out of a wet paper bag. We are faced with the aftermath of inaction. God is not dead, he has had enough of us.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:36 pm
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Rollie, you are not any more complicit than anyone else. But now you are accepting that fatalistic view that seems to be coming from a very dark place. If you can step back and look at things objectively, you will see that we still have a democracy, which means we can still change things..
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Civil disobedience has changed the world.


+1

Gandhi, King, and Walesa are significant examples.

Arjay
+ one whole helluva lot

And let's not forget the Soviet Union - what really killed it was perestroika. One of the worlds most oppressive police states crumbled under the weight of massive PEACEFUL protests, led by charismatic leaders.

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One of the worlds most oppressive police states crumbled under the weight of massive PEACEFUL protests, led by charismatic leaders.


......Fueled by rock and roll from the West!

8) 8) 8)

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Retroverbial wrote:
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One of the worlds most oppressive police states crumbled under the weight of massive PEACEFUL protests, led by charismatic leaders.


......Fueled by rock and roll from the West!

8) 8) 8)

Arjay


I love you Bros and it might be time for me to chill for a while. Be back later. :)

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More hogwash...(especially about the 2 pot smoking kids from Russia) :shock:


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More hogwash...(especially about the 2 pot smoking kids from Russia) :shock:




I gotta say, I must applaud her sense of humour. Something that politicians never seem to have.

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Miami Mike wrote:
More hogwash...(especially about the 2 pot smoking kids from Russia) :shock:




I gotta say, I must applaud her sense of humour. Something that politicians never seem to have.


I don't think that she finds it's humorous though. :D

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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:00 am
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I think there is a special place in hell for women that undermine womens rights and real world education to the point that Palin has.

Lets hope she gets there soon, that thing is an utter horror horror show. Like the love child of Tipper Gore and Mussolini

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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:37 pm
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I think there is a special place in hell for women that undermine womens rights and real world education to the point that Palin has.

Lets hope she gets there soon, that thing is an utter horror horror show. Like the love child of Tipper Gore and Mussolini


Political and Philosophical extremism (both Liberal and Conservative) has brought us to the mess we're in. In fact, I think we may be past the Tipping Point already...

So, how does everyone feel about the Supremes decision yesterday to curtail 5th Ammendment Rights..??

Who's watching the Watchers... ??

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