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Post subject: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:19 am
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I don't know about you guys but, I'm very upset at President Obama for allowing this to happen. The thing with having Verizon to turn over all of their subcriber's phone numbers and call lists ,etc. IMO, this is a major invasion of our privacy and should not be tolerated at all. Their excuse is that it's to save us from terrorism which I for one, do not buy for one single minute. Ever since 9/11 happened, our country's politicians have become more and more paranoid ,especially the old school ones like McCain , O'Connell, etc.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:10 am
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Check your history - it was XPres Bush who signed it into law just after 9/11. Your a little late to the party.


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:19 am
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"He who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security"

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Thank Bush and his Patriot Act for this one. Still very messed up and intrusive.

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:41 am
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:45 am
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Telecaster God wrote:
I don't know about you guys but, I'm very upset at President Obama for allowing this to happen. The thing with having Verizon to turn over all of their subcriber's phone numbers and call lists ,etc. IMO, this is a major invasion of our privacy and should not be tolerated at all. Their excuse is that it's to save us from terrorism which I for one, do not buy for one single minute. Ever since 9/11 happened, our country's politicians have become more and more paranoid ,especially the old school ones like McCain , O'Connell, etc.


I knew Bush signed the Liberty Act but I wasn't aware that he had anything to do with the allowing of the government to allow themselves to partake of the general public's phone numbers and info. I thought Obama was the one behind that. Either way, that is wrong and you know it. I served 20 years in the Navy so we could have freedom, not to have it taken away.


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:49 am
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Think about it. If you were a terrorist, would you use Verizon or some cheap pay as you go phone. And no can't really blame Obama for this one completely. The Patriot Act really isn't there to protect "us". Bush signed it originally and Obama signed the Patriot Sunset act in 2011. Blame Congress. Bush and Obama didn't write the laws, Congress did.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:52 am
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Wasn't the Patriot Act the biggest shift in liberty-adjusment the US ever made?

Dubya will surely go down as the worst president a few hanging chads ever elected. It's not only the US paying the price for his tenure.

The US is proud of the myth that anyone can become pres. Dubya proves that shouldn't be seen as a compliment.


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:57 am
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The funniest thing with George W is in an interview, he said the thing that upset him the most was that someone accused him of being a racist after Katrina. Go figure.

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:47 am
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Kind of funny that the most leaks of defense and security of our country are and have been occurring during this, the most transparent president's time in office except for his health care bill (you must sign it before you are allowed to read it, ultimatum to congress) and the IRS deliberate targeting of conservative groups (an ongoing misuse of the IRS in numbers never before seen in American political history) clearly dangerous to America and Americans. As they say when the airplane is going down, "put your head between your knees and kiss your assa goodbye". Gee, thanks Barry :cry:

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:15 am
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My take on tax exempt status is that there should be no tax exempt status for anyone. We're all in this together and all should carry their fair load for society. Henry the Eight kicked the Roman church out of England, he wanted a divorce, but was more concerned that the country have more holdings than the church, which it didn't at the time. Over one in ten blocks in the US is owned by a tax exempt religious institution or their holdings. Your paying for their streets, sidewalks, utilities, police/fire protection, and on and on. How often has a small business offered you a discount if you paid in cash? Why the hell should unregulated right wing groups with no direction, or clue, except to create payroll for themselves and disrupt government be tax free? I often feel like I'm a chump, and one of the few, having my taxes taken out of my paycheck before I have a chance to cheat the government. The government must be in control or it won't be around long, like it or not. The IRS would have a manageable job then.


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:21 am
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My take on tax exempt status is that there should be no tax exempt status for anyone. We're all in this together and all should carry their fair load for society. Henry the Eight kicked the Roman church out of England, he wanted a divorce, but was more concerned that the country have more holdings than the church, which it didn't at the time. Over one in ten blocks in the US is owned by a tax exempt religious institution or their holdings. Your paying for their streets, sidewalks, utilities, police/fire protection, and on and on. How often has a small business offered you a discount if you paid in cash? Why the hell should unregulated right wing groups with no direction, or clue, except to create payroll for themselves and disrupt government be tax free? I often feel like I'm a chump, and one of the few, having my taxes taken out of my paycheck before I have a chance to cheat the government. The government must be in control or it won't be around long, like it or not. The IRS would have a manageable job then.

Great thought, liberal groups out number conservative in the tax exempt status by about five to one, be fair.

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:25 am
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No, it just the opposite when you include right wing lobbies, and what about corporations that pay little or no taxes partially by funding right wing organizations.


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:39 am
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with almost 50% of working age Americans not paying income tax and on state and federal aid of one type or another and so many organizations that it numbers in the millions. Volumes and volumes of books as big as a card table and thick as a truck tire, I did a paper on this as an undergraduate, just go to your local library and you will understand what I'm saying. Not critcizing, some people, on both sides, are good at gaming the system. Yes corporations do it in a big way but the liberal geniuses make everyone look foolish without a doubt.

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:25 am
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Check your history - it was XPres Bush who signed it into law just after 9/11. Your a little late to the party.


+1

..and for Homeland Security purposes, I support it.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:47 am
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Well, here we go again. Thanks T.G. :?


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