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Post subject: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:56 am
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A G C D Am Em E F# B D A C A G F Cadd9 Esus4. Pick 2 to 4. Rock.

It gets old.

Who plays jazz? How long after you first started learning guitar did you start to try to get into jazz?


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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:13 am
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I play some Jazz stuff, not to any great standard. Just to have fun and keep on learning. I'd been playing years and years of rock and blues stuff before that happened.

Most rock is boring and so is a lot of blues. it's become a kind of paint by numbers formula and you know exactly what's coming next. With Jazz the whole idea is you are ready for surprises.

I'm learning some Bucky Pizzarelli solo tunes just now from a book/CD package i bought. A lot of them are pretty hard. Pick playing which is good because i can't really do involved fingerpicking as i have dystonia in my picking hand. I use Herco thumb/flatpicks to play with.

I'm also studying some stuff out of a Joe Diorio book where he's dissecting John Coltrane's "Giant Steps" and giving you a lot of ideas and licks to use over the progression plus some chord solos too.

I've also been listening to some Sonny Rollins too lately. Great player. "St Thomas" is such a great tune.

It's not by accident that two of the greatest guitar players ever, Larry Carlton and Robben Ford, cite John Coltrane's work and the album "Ballads" in particular to be the greatest influence on their phrasing and music.

I urge you to buy "Kind Of Blue" by Miles Davis! The greatest album ever recorded IMO, with the most incredible lineup of musicians. To say this album changed the world is understating the importance it's had on all musicians not just Jazz.

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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:20 am
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Gorgon wrote:

Most rock is boring and so is a lot of blues. it's become a kind of paint by numbers formula and you know exactly what's coming next. With Jazz the whole idea is you are ready for surprises.


I'm with you bro. Check out my recent contribution to the youtube thread. Not boring.

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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:09 pm
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I do some jazz drumming occasionally.

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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:44 pm
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A G C D Am Em E F# B D A C A G F Cadd9 Esus4. Pick 2 to 4. Rock.

It gets old.

Who plays jazz? How long after you first started learning guitar did you start to try to get into jazz?


Occasionally I play some 'real book' stuff for function gigs.

It was about 20 years after I started playing that I was given a chart for some Weather Report/Jaco type stuff that got me into it.

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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:39 pm
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Incidentally i watched a cool documentary on saxophone genius Sonny Rollins and he stopped recording and playing gigs at one point to get deeper into his music and he went out on to a bridge to play in case he was disturbing people at home! he spent months and months doing that.

I think it was the Williamsburg bridge in NY, if anyone knows that. You see him goin' up there with his sax and playing away. Said he'd be up there for hours.

That inspired the title of his next record which he titled "The Bridge" 8)

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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:57 pm
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For guitar, listen to some Grant Green and Kenny Burrell. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:23 pm
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Gorgon wrote:
Most rock is boring and so is a lot of blues. it's become a kind of paint by numbers formula and you know exactly what's coming next.


To be fair, probably 95% of jazz is like that as well. More harmonically complex, yes, but equally predictable. Players are just as likely to just dish out prelearned runs and chord sequences as any other genre, if anything, I think the jazz world has more of it than the rock world does!

And yes, I do play jazz, and enjoy doing so. But when you sit in with a lot of jazz sessions, it really does get a bit dull, with barely anyone really stretching the boundaries at all. I really, really love good jazz - there's just not much of it out there in the true spirit of the genre, in my opinion.


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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:35 pm
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I sometimes play the odd jazz note by mistake

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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:25 pm
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I'm into the Bebop era(Thelonious Monk, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Dizzy). Unfortunately...nobody else I know would even consider playing the stuff.


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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:26 pm
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Vulpinity wrote:
Gorgon wrote:
Most rock is boring and so is a lot of blues. it's become a kind of paint by numbers formula and you know exactly what's coming next.


To be fair, probably 95% of jazz is like that as well. More harmonically complex, yes, but equally predictable. Players are just as likely to just dish out prelearned runs and chord sequences as any other genre, if anything, I think the jazz world has more of it than the rock world does!

And yes, I do play jazz, and enjoy doing so. But when you sit in with a lot of jazz sessions, it really does get a bit dull, with barely anyone really stretching the boundaries at all. I really, really love good jazz - there's just not much of it out there in the true spirit of the genre, in my opinion.



Knowing what's coming next isn't always a bad thing. Just means you're feeling it.


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Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:54 pm
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I actually got into jazz from back when I was drumming, and I'm working on the guitar aspect of it now. I never really got the whole jazz vs. blues/rock thing though, because to me they're very much related. Particularly jazz and blues, the lines between those two genres can get very blurred. Take T-Bone Walker, Wes Montgomery, Grant Green, Joe Pass, even SRV, they all incorporate blues and jazz ideas. But for some reason a lot of jazz guys I know tend to adopt a "jazz vs. all other types of music" ideology. To me the best music is the kind that can't really be pigeon holed into one particular category, but that has elements of many different styles apparent.

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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:35 pm
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The only jazz piece that I can play (after months and months of figuring it out - and finally with tab).

Bachman Turner Overdrive - - Lookin' Out For Number One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QANEJaBE ... e=youtu.be


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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:17 pm
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I started digging jazz at age 17, so that´s 7 years after rock and some three years after progressive rock. The thing is, jazz has always seemed so far out and inaccesible as a guitar player... Only in recent years did I start to hear intervals in those great interventions. So now I begin to think like, -Oh, three note ascending arpeggio, then several diatonic steps down and a chromatic 4 note pass to end on the major third, now a pentatonic to balance it off! Otherwise it was just this fantastic sounding whirlwind, so intriguing.
But I´m making very slow progress, always have been slow.
The thing I´m grateful for and enjoying much is my new found skill to swing along, displace the phrasing, play laid back and so on. I guess many hours of listening are beginning to pay off.

By the way, absolutely love jazz but I strongly dislike humbuckers, the saturation I hear always makes me long for the glassy single coil tone.

My favorite player without question, Kieth Jarrett. What an artist...

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Post subject: Re: Who Plays Jazz?
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:22 am
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"Jazz" seems like such a broad term.

For example some beboppers don't get into smooth jazz or lounge at all. I'd break it down to maybe :

Acid Jazz
Bebop
Dixieland
Fusion Jazz
Modern Jazz
Lounge
Nu Jazz
Swing
Smooth Jazz

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