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Post subject: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:05 am
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This friend, he swears by this Floyd Rose block on his Strat.
Hates the tone on this guitar but will not budge when I tell him to do away with this bridge.
I can be wrong, because in my own way I´m just as obsessive as he is.

But in my opinion, it is strings-through-body or sacrilege!

I welcome a food-fight on this one. :P

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:10 am
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Does he have it set flush or floating?

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:22 am
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mike07502 wrote:
I welcome a food-fight on this one. :P

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Er... we're fighting over what, BTW?

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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:12 pm
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Blertles wrote:
Does he have it set flush or floating?


He has it flush.
And he plays blues and funk.

He calls me purist, because I say yes to this kind of bridge on like the Allan Holdsworth Carvin, but I flat out reject that block on a Strat.
I keep telling him that strings through the body are essential for a true Fender tone, especially going straight to the amp.
But then again I might be more close-minded than he is.
I said Leo wouldn´t like it , and he called me a sour grape.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:51 pm
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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:57 pm
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Strats aren't string through body. They're string through metal which contacts the body in much the same way the Floyd Rose does.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:04 pm
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It's not an actual FR, but my Strat with Kahler Spyder sounds like a "true Fender" to my ears.

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The strings are clamped to the bridge, more securely if anything. I can't agree with your theory.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 5:38 pm
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Well, purist or not- if that's what he prefers, then that's what he prefers.

Shall I digress. I've got 2 Floyded guitars- one Strat, another is a Fender Talon V. Hardly what you would call 'Traditional' or 'Purist' lol. However, I also have 3 other Strats with 'Deluxe' type trems.

On these two Floyded guitars, I have the bridge set to flush on the Strat and the bridge set to floating on the Talon. The differences in acoustic tone, - and may I emphasise on the acoustic here- are night and day. However- the difference here is that because the bridge is flush on the Strat, the guitar acoustically resonates better. Does the Strat have more sustain than the Talon? No. Is the thin acoustic sound of the Talon noticeable when plugged in? No.

The reason is because a pickup is only transferring the vibration made of the string, it doesn't transfer acoustic nuances in the 'unplugged' tone of an electric guitar.

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Strats aren't string through body. They're string through metal which contacts the body in much the same way the Floyd Rose does.
- I fully agree with this statement.

Now that debate of whether a deluxe Trem sounds better than a Floyd is a very subjective one. Personally from my experiences, I prefer a locking Trem because they hold tune no matter what you do on them. Also, I find for muting or resting my palm on the bridge that are more comfortable. I don't mind the current Trem either, however to me I just don't like vintage style trems, don't ask me why.

However, I believe the whole purist debate- to be based more so on the emotion that older players & particularly "purists" don't like Floyd's. I also know that a pickup does not pick up the differences of whether your strings are thru body or not. I also know that if you tell a purist that acoustically, a bridge with more mass that is flush to a body & has more contact surface will transfer more resonance, thus have more acoustic volume- will send their brain into meltdown lol

But I strongly agree that a 'strings through body.. Or sacrilege!!' Viewpoint is like not being open minded about a different way of doing something. It also sits in the bracket of one of those pointless debates that gets thrown about: 'Maple vs. Rosewood' 'Nitro vs. Polyurethane' etc.. That neither have a right or wrong conclusion, but when the question pops up- escalates quickly in hot discussion.

Perhaps, is that what you are after? ;)

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 5:58 pm
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Blertles wrote:
... a pickup is only transferring the vibration made of the string, it doesn't transfer acoustic nuances in the 'unplugged' tone of an electric guitar.


Well if you're going to open up that particular can of worms then it's my duty to stir it up a bit.

Yes, the pickups sense the vibrations of the strings. Technically they respond to the disruption of a magnetic field and produce an electrical analogue of the vibrations BUT what you're forgetting here is those all-important harmonics. The string isn't just vibrating at its fundamental frequency, it's a big old mess of harmonics and the wood of the guitar body inevitably has an effect on those harmonics.

To suggest that the acoustic resonance of an electric guitar body has no effect on the acoustic tone of the strings and the signal generated in the pickups is just plain wrong. Put a Gibson pickup in a Stratocaster and you don't end up with a Les Paul. Put single coils in an SG and you don't get a Telecaster.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:16 pm
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I'm not even going to go down that path lol. Purely for the reason, is that on these forums it's very much a debate with no hypothesis.

I do however have a short scale guitar tho, shaped like a telecaster- with telecaster pickups in it... That sounds like a telecaster. I'm taking that it would be different say, if was shaped like a mustang? Or a Jaguar?

Best save that for another topic. But ponder these successful models:

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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:47 pm
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Hey, the OP said he wanted a food fight!

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:48 pm
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I never liked any of these Floyd Rose and other vibratos with the locking nuts and string ends.To put one on a Strat really takes away from it IMHO because the beauty of the Strat vibrato is that you can do behind the nut bends.I prefer the action of the Strat whammy too because that's what I cut my teeth on.I'm a purist right to the core when it comes to Strats,I wouldn't ever consider buying a HSS model because it strays from what my idea of what a Strat is.If other people like the HSS setup and Floyds they are welcome to them because it's no skin off my nose if they like them but you'll never see me buying either one of them.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 2:03 am
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I strongly suggest people go listen to 2nd and 4th order harmonics bought up to note level played alongside a note before they talk of them having an impact on the way a guitar sounds.

I've never heard an uglier bunch of pairings, it's something used mainly to manipulate distortion effects.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:10 am
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I'm not a big Floyd Rose fan, but there again, if I had my way, all my guitars would be hard tail. :)

Just my opinion...

However, I think the OP was saying that a Floyd Rose bridge/tremolo/vibrato/whatever is sacrilege on a Strat...I tend to agree to a certain extent, but if you're playing a style that calls for a lot of dive bombs and whammy-work, a Floyd would be the way to go.

If it came with a Floyd, it's ok. If a person routes out a '59 Strat to add a Floyd, that is sacrilege. JMHO.

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Post subject: Re: Purist nonsense, his words.
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:39 am
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I'm not joining the fray this time. It doesn't matter. You can prove your point beyond all possible doubt a dozen times over and people will not budge on their position. I'm done banging my head against the wall.

I will however watch and be mildly entertained if this thread catches on.

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