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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:59 pm
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I need to say about the billy corgan strat, I had one and sold it shortly after because it was possibly the worst sounding fender i have ever played, no fender magic at all in that guitar. I should have figured as much as he is not a very good player and his music isn't exactly good.

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It really begs the question why you bought it in the first place? The name on the thing is why people buy them.

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Also, Corgan plays 80% of his songs on tour since 2008 with his sig model, off the rack, no special version created for him.

That really doesn't make sense. Given he designed it, it's not 'off the rack'.


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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:24 am
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I'd opt for a Robbie Robertson Signature Stratocaster with Noiseless pickups and chrome dome knobs!

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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:00 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
Also, Corgan plays 80% of his songs on tour since 2008 with his sig model, off the rack, no special version created for him.

That really doesn't make sense. Given he designed it, it's not 'off the rack'.[/quote]

Huh? All I'm saying is that he literally has one "off the rack" like you or I could buy at guitarcenter (before they were discontinued), as opposed to a specially created version for him with any differences, like I believe at one point EC had. Follow me?

I'm saying that for 5 years Corgan has played 80% of his songs, live, with the Corgan Artist Strat "off the rack" that any person could buy for $1300.


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:03 am
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paris wrote:
So after reading everyone's postings, I've come to the conclusion that people really don't want signature models.

Unforeseen and interesting.


I'm not sure that's true...

Fender sells every Artist guitar they make and some, like the EC, EJ and Mayers go flying out the door.

They can't all be hanging on the wall of somebody's Den.

When making my choice, it was between the FSR Am. Vtg. '57 and the Eric Johnson (didn't even know who Eric Johnson was at the time). I chose the Am. Vtg. simply because it felt better to me.

Cheers!


and I want a mayer strat real bad but have not been able to find the funds for that yet... almost got one on ebay at one point.

but no more GAS for a while..focusing on my playing. my current rig is more than adequate to do the job.... it's MY FINGERS that are not up to the job... olzolzozlozzz


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:43 pm
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Her Wanna wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
Also, Corgan plays 80% of his songs on tour since 2008 with his sig model, off the rack, no special version created for him.

That really doesn't make sense. Given he designed it, it's not 'off the rack'.


Huh? All I'm saying is that he literally has one "off the rack" like you or I could buy at guitarcenter (before they were discontinued), as opposed to a specially created version for him with any differences, like I believe at one point EC had. Follow me?

I'm saying that for 5 years Corgan has played 80% of his songs, live, with the Corgan Artist Strat "off the rack" that any person could buy for $1300.[/quote]

I think he means off the rack as in a signature model sold as is. No special changes after purchase.


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:44 pm
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Her Wanna wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
Also, Corgan plays 80% of his songs on tour since 2008 with his sig model, off the rack, no special version created for him.

That really doesn't make sense. Given he designed it, it's not 'off the rack'.


Huh? All I'm saying is that he literally has one "off the rack" like you or I could buy at guitarcenter (before they were discontinued), as opposed to a specially created version for him with any differences, like I believe at one point EC had. Follow me?

I'm saying that for 5 years Corgan has played 80% of his songs, live, with the Corgan Artist Strat "off the rack" that any person could buy for $1300.[/quote]

Good, you've addressed this.


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:34 pm
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I'd opt for a Robbie Robertson Signature Stratocaster with Noiseless pickups and chrome dome knobs!

You beat me to it, although I was thinking of this one, it's so ugly and great at the same time:

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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:49 pm
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The guitar I'm talking about is the TK-Masterbuilt Moonburst, not the old bronze Strat with the infamous wonderbar bridge.

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There's another Robbie Robertson signature model with lipstick pickups and a Native-American-themed finish.


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:35 pm
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Blertles wrote:
paris wrote:
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I think Artist Series are a lot of hype.. SRV Strat for example, nothing like what he actually played... ...Trust me, you can take an mim roadhouse, or American special Strat and its got the same pickups as the SRV Strat and the difference is at least $1000msrp. :? I'd rather sink that amount of money into a good amp or mod to my own tastes. Or an overseas vacation. :D


That is soooooo far from the truth!

I went shopping for a Stratocaster in 2007, I tested many expensive instruments in search of the right sound. Lots had some push button features, and extra toggle switches, yet none delivered what my ear wanted to hear. Finally, I stumbled upon an SRV signature Strat. I plugged it into a Marshall, because that's what I use at home and on stage. Instantly, I was sure I had found what I was looking for after all this time.

The neck felt so comfortable in my hand. The fret board encouraged me to whip out some lead solos. The pups offered a ferocious growl and ear-splitting screams. The reverse polarity intermediate toggles deliver warm choral ambience, making the over-all potential of this guitar extremely versatile.

I admit, the SRV pickguard seemed a bit cheesy, so I ordered a black one to replace it, but I never installed it. It's still in the wrapper.

The Texas Special pickups aren't and will never be found on a MIM nor an American Std. Incidentally, you can buy Texas Special pups separately, but they are not "Overwound" like the custom shop's SRV special edition, which is what gives this signature series guitar the individual character of its own along with the mahogany fretboard, the maple neck and the alder body.

Since 2007, this guitar's retail value has tripled which only encourages me, that I made a good investment. Mine is NOT for sale! You'll have to pry it from cold dead hands.


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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:43 am
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AndyBenJammin wrote:
The Texas Special pickups aren't and will never be found on a MIM nor an American Std.


Not true.

Fender used (and still uses) occasionally the Texas Specials on the American Standards and a handful of MIMs - either in the form of special-edition runs or regular production models (US Roadhouse Strat, American Standard Strat Texas Special).


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Post subject: Re: Artist Series Instruments
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:12 am
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I'd like to see the Eli Etten Fender Phoenix, I made it up and built a prototype. It's a Fender Musicmaster slab body with a Jag-Stang pick guard, face plate, neck, and electronics. I think Kurt Cobain would have favored one since it has a hard tail bridge instead of the Fender Dynamic Vibrato system, which he thought was retarded.


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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:37 pm
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Blertles wrote:
I think Artist Series are a lot of hype.. SRV Strat for example, nothing like what he actually played... ...Trust me, you can take an mim roadhouse, or American special Strat and its got the same pickups as the SRV Strat and the difference is at least $1000msrp. :? I'd rather sink that amount of money into a good amp or mod to my own tastes. Or an overseas vacation. :D




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That is soooooo far from the truth!

I went shopping for a Stratocaster in 2007, I tested many expensive instruments in search of the right sound. Lots had some push button features, and extra toggle switches, yet none delivered what my ear wanted to hear. Finally, I stumbled upon an SRV signature Strat. I plugged it into a Marshall, because that's what I use at home and on stage. Instantly, I was sure I had found what I was looking for after all this time.

The neck felt so comfortable in my hand. The fret board encouraged me to whip out some lead solos. The pups offered a ferocious growl and ear-splitting screams. The reverse polarity intermediate toggles deliver warm choral ambience, making the over-all potential of this guitar extremely versatile.

I admit, the SRV pickguard seemed a bit cheesy, so I ordered a black one to replace it, but I never installed it. It's still in the wrapper.

The Texas Special pickups aren't and will never be found on a MIM nor an American Std. Incidentally, you can buy Texas Special pups separately, but they are not "Overwound" like the custom shop's SRV special edition, which is what gives this signature series guitar the individual character of its own along with the mahogany fretboard, the maple neck and the alder body.

Since 2007, this guitar's retail value has tripled which only encourages me, that I made a good investment. Mine is NOT for sale! You'll have to pry it from cold dead hands.


Interesting post. If you go through the catalogue, you will find the American special and MIM deluxe line- Lonestar, roadhouse with those same pickups. In the right hands and amp you'll get a similar sound from them..

The SRV Strat doesnt have a mahogany fretboard either, nor has it tripled in value :roll: that would be like me buying one here in 2007 for $4k and the price jumping to $12k :lol:

But anyway, the point being the only differences is the cheesy pickguard, the yellow stained upside down Trem, pao ferro board (just another wood really) the offset neck shape and in my neck of the woods- a $2500 price difference. Those items- are they worth the $2500 price difference? Certainly not. So what makes people buy it then? This:

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^^^ that's why people pay so much for a signature guitar. Otherwise, if you wanted to sound like him but not have his guitar, THAT sound can be achieved at about 1/3 the price. But like always, it's not the guitar that will sound like him, it's your own playing if you can master it as much as you can. Only you can inspire yourself to play like anyone you want to.


I hope it's not too hard to see why I wouldn't buy a signature series whatever Strat..

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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:19 pm
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Interesting post. If you go through the catalogue, you will find the American special and MIM deluxe line- Lonestar, roadhouse with those same pickups. In the right hands and amp you'll get a similar sound from them..

The SRV Strat doesnt have a mahogany fretboard either, nor has it tripled in value :roll: that would be like me buying one here in 2007 for $4k and the price jumping to $12k :lol:

But anyway, the point being the only differences is the cheesy pickguard, the yellow stained upside down Trem, pao ferro board (just another wood really) the offset neck shape and in my neck of the woods- a $2500 price difference. Those items- are they worth the $2500 price difference? Certainly not. So what makes people buy it then? This:

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^^^ that's why people pay so much for a signature guitar. Otherwise, if you wanted to sound like him but not have his guitar, THAT sound can be achieved at about 1/3 the price. But like always, it's not the guitar that will sound like him, it's your own playing if you can master it as much as you can. Only you can inspire yourself to play like anyone you want to.


I hope it's not too hard to see why I wouldn't buy a signature series whatever Strat..[/quote]

The SRV Strat is a good guitar, and worth checking out. I dig the Left handed trem, but not the gold plating. The neck is a bit chunky to me.

For my own experience, I built a Strat from parts that was a golden-brown stained body, slab rosewood finger board neck and CS Texas Special pickups. It was a great guitar, and one that many of my friends loved playing.

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Sadly, I sold it so I could buy a beat up blonde '76 Strat with maple finger board. The neck is pretty chunky and I needed to shield everything. This shielding helped a lot and actually altered the tone to my ears. The pickups became more compressed (slight more mid-range) sounding to me.

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I really like playing this guitar, but right now my current favorite is a sunburst '75 with rosewood finger board. The neck shape is smaller and th pickups sound more like vintage

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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:44 pm
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I don't know if I posted pictures of these, but here is my Eric Clapton Strat and my home built Andy Summers inspired telecaster.

I bought the Clapton Strat because I love the mid-range boost and I owned an '87 Strat Plus. Clapton has always been an influence on me, but I'd buy this guitar if didn't have his signature on the headstock. It's a truly unique sounding and versitile guitar.

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For the Andy Summers Telecaster, I wanted to capture the look and sound, but with my own take on it. The hum bucker can be coil tapped so I get 5 different puckup configurations. There is a mid-range scoop tone pot and an afterburner volume boost pot. It too, is a very veristile guitar that I use quite frequently.

I've always loved the look of a bound sunburst Tele. Giving it a maple neck makes it stand out quite a bit.

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I don't mind Artist Series instruments, but for crying out loud, there is nothing special about Ike Turner's and Buddy Holly's Stratocasters and I don't know why they were made.

Conversely, every Strat is unique and has its own voice. More than anything else, the fingers of the artist are where the real tone is coming from.

You want you rig to sound like Clapton? Have him play your gear. Better yet, find your own voice. One of the best compliments I ever received from another musician (and a critical one) was when he told me, "Paris, when I hear you play, I know it's you." I'm playing in a church band with two other guitarists, a bass player and drummer. A player can get lost in the mix. My solution: find tone that stands out and play in a way that is different, yet fits with the rest of the music. I don't just fill empty space, but add accent and atmosphere to enhance the music. Some of the best bands have 1 guitarist, 1 bassist and 1 drummer.

I'll never sound like Clapton, and I'll never sound like Andy Summers, and I realized one day that I didn't want to.


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The SRV Strat doesnt have a mahogany fretboard either, nor has it tripled in value :roll: that would be like me buying one here in 2007 for $4k and the price jumping to $12k :lol:


Indeed. For anything newer than a generation or two old, that it goes up in price is what we tell our wives and girlfriends (may they never meet) when we buy the things. (And compared to what we told them we paid, they might actually go up in price too...)

Only the John Cruz masterbuilt ones have increased in value (if still mint, as they're likely to be) - others have dropped in price, and I estimate that a a 2007 SRV which cost $2,400 new (street price, not Fender "price") is now worth around $1,600, unless worn or "enhanced", in which case they're worth less.


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