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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:01 am
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Every time We see a shooting in the USA on telly Here, we wonder how many people have to die in order to change gun reforms? Is not at least one child's life enough?

In my opinion a constitutional right to bear arms is unbelievable. We don't have anything like that here and I'm glad we dont have the need. I have a hard time understanding who it is the citizens in the USA have to protect themselves from, in order to hold a deadly weapon.

Guns were designed to be used on people. That's a fact.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:10 am
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But no other country has the problems with terrorism, right wing nutters, or guns, that the US has.

Please tell me you're joking, right? Possibly the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this year.


I'm not suggeting those things don't exist elsewhere, but the US has a bigger problem than most. As far as guns go, it's no contest.

Gun lobbyists can throw up all sorts of distracting stats, but it's pretty simple; easy access to guns = more dead people. Attitudes that suggest attempts to make that harder = police state, reveal the depth of the problem.

While the Boston bombing is a terrible thing, we overlook the tragic and pointless deaths elsewhere, that don't make news at all. Sadly, because bombings of innocents and kids there may be a more everyday occurrence. The unexpected makes bigger news.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:36 am
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Thoughts and prayers for the victims of this needless tragedy. Cudos to the first responders and all the agencies involved for all they great work the do. The Boston Marathon is such a great event and it is a shame that this cowardly attack, which harmed innocent adults and children, left a lasting footprint on this event. I hope the wheels of justice is swift!


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:55 am
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[quote="ted j"]This is definately one of the bombers ,(guy in the white cap) caught on someone's phone pic and recognised as one of the suspects by the picture taker's friends

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It's interesting to see how elements of this tragedy continue to unfold. These are the spectators fleeing from the first detonation down the street. The bomber in the photo has apparently just planted the second explosive and is getting his $@! out of there given the short interval between the two. He can run and hide in plain sight because everyone else is and in a panic. The unfortunate man who lost both his legs, and was aided by the celebrated 'man in the cowboy hat', is reported to have told his brother that he saw the bomb planted. That the bomber looked right at him. However, the article did not state which individual he saw.

It's hard to say what anyone would do in any situation but I can tell for a fact that, as a transplanted New Yorker, what myh mindset has become. Seeing somebody set a bag down on the street in front of the barrier, would have been a signal for me to act, do something to alert people around me, and officials that something was amiss in my mind...even to running out in the middle of the street and acting a lunatic. Anything to draw attention. This is a consequence of the fact that major centers of public gathering, such as Penn Station, are awashing in security personnel in military gear: armed National Guardsmen, Swat Team members from NYPD, dogs etc. A constant reminder to be alert and on the lookout for anything unusual, out of place. Backpacks are part of our everyday scene, and anyone can walk unsuspected into the car of a subway train carrying a device such as the one used on Monday. However, leaving it on a crowded platfrom or walking over to a barrier, and setting it down in the foreground, and walking away is something else indeed. I had a personal experience at an airport in which a lone traveler walked away from me and left a suitcase. In less than a minute I had a security person there, much to the chagrin of the owner. But that's what it takes to prevent 'stupid is as stupid does.'

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:31 am
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One dead, and suspect #2 at large and considered armed and very dangerous.

Watertown is the main area of being searched although surrounding towns are being told to stay home and keep doors locked.

18 & 19 yr old brothers from Russia. Very active crime scene overnight with an MIT cop and a BU cop shot, a 7-11 store robbed and now many other suspicious packages being checked.

They had lived in the US for about a year, reports say.

All business and colleges/schools closed within a 15 mile radius of Watertown where they are going door-to-door and searching.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:55 am
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Wow. Watertown is where my uncle and his family live. A quiet, leafy Boston suburb.

Quite surprising when you wake to pictures of a huge shootout and lockdown in a peaceable place you know quite well. Let's hope it can be ended without further injury or death. Those of us with friends and family in the midst will be keeping our fingers crossed.

Meantime, I'm not sure any of this belongs on this thread, but...
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How about the bottomline? Which is violent crimes. Gun Toting USA should be a much more dangerous place to live than in "gun free" Great Britain, right?...

I'm not going to wade into the rather turbulent waters of the gun debate, but I will point out that those particular statistics (which seem to surface regularly in this particular debate) have been pointed out many times to be immensely misleading.

Hello 1neeto: not clear why you're suddenly having a go at us, but as Vulpinity says, those numbers have been utterly discredited. (It all goes back to a slow-news-day "survey" in 2001, if memory serves).

If you're interested, try searching for international stats on gun deaths per 100,000 of population and see what you come up with.

Anyhow. Back to Watertown...

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:59 am
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Boston bomber #1 killed in running gun and grenade type explosive battle with Boston area law enforcement following convenience store robbery and car jacking by the pair. Following a lengthy chase after the robbery in Cambridge during which time the pair threw grenade type bombs from their car at police 1 MIT Campus PD is officer dead, 1 Transit Authority PD office critically wounded at the chase's end in Watertown. Bomber #2 got away on foot but authorities have a 20 block perimeter established. The suspects are from Chechnya and are brothers. The one still at large is considered armed and dangerous possibly carrying explosives. The one killed is said to have died from explosive injury. The entire Boston metro is locked down. Roadbocks everywhere. Mass transit halted. Schools including all colleges shut down. Police now searching door to door in a 20 block area where they believe they now have suspect 2 contained. "Most grave situation" is how one authority describes the current situation.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:08 am
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Right in your backyard Mike.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:21 am
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Right in your backyard Mike.


Literally - doors locked - not going out!!!

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:02 am
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New suspect photo from @Boston_Police: 19 year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of Cambridge. Considered armed & dangerous.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:19 am
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What strikes me as odd about this thread as how so many people are using the Boston terror bombing to pipe up on their opinion of what is "wrong with USA" and how (quite incorrectly) nothing like this happens anywhere else in the world. Why do you have to make this political? It isn't political, it is a tragedy no matter where it happened!

Firstly, these are foreign terrorists in another country after fleeing their own home country for political reasons.

Secondly terror strikes everywhere, even New Zealand where French foreign agents allegedly sank the Greenpeace vessel "Rainbow Warrior" while berthed in Auckland by planting explosives on the hull. Rainbow Warrior was there to participate in peaceful protests of French nuclear weapons testing. French agents sank it with explosives. I'm not alone in considering that a terror bombing.

Thirdly, if you think it is tough to fly in or out of the USA try flying in or out of Israel and you'll find out what thorough airport security actually is.

Not going to debate politics here of any sort, but I don't think many of the comments here about "Only in the USA" are very accurate and certainly inappropriate in the face of such tragedy. Spain, London, Belfast, Moscow, Bali and other cities have had their share of terrorist fostered tragedy too The Russian Apartment Bombing spree alone killed nearly 300 people and injured about 650. If I were you, I wouldn't brag about having no terrorism at all in your country or else maybe you'll give someone the idea they overlooked you or it has been so long you've forgotten.

I think North Korea has no international terrorism, but nobody in their right mind wants to go there including terrorists.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:48 am
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Every time We see a shooting in the USA on telly Here, we wonder how many people have to die in order to change gun reforms? Is not at least one child's life enough?


Please stop and use your head for a moment.

1 pressure cooker
1 explosive device
shrapnel
NO GUNS

Now turn off your telly and go do something more productive.

I would very much appreciate it if this thread could be shut down, or better yet deleted.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:50 am
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Without reiterating all the news headlines, if you're interested you can get the latest here
http://boston.com/

The Manhunt is underway

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:10 am
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The outwash of this on many yet unresolved fronts will be most interesting.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:32 am
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What strikes me as odd about this thread as how so many people are using the Boston terror bombing to pipe up on their opinion of what is "wrong with USA" and how (quite incorrectly) nothing like this happens anywhere else in the world.

I was misread and then misquoted. Read the post.

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If I were you, I wouldn't brag about having no terrorism at all in your country or else maybe you'll give someone the idea they overlooked you or it has been so long you've forgotten.

We've had the Bali bombings over here in '04. Bali being the no1 holiday destination for Australians. 200+ people killed. They weren't motivated to do it because they hated Vegemite and Steve Irwin.

When I reach the level of paranoia that posting on an obscure guitar forum might alert terrorists to the fact they've overlooked my tiny wedge of the planet, then I'm really in trouble and should probably buy myself some guns.


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