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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:50 pm
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While any life lost by any sort of attack certainly is bad, what I don't get is a lot more people die every day from attacks in different countries, and that doesn't make worldwide news. I'm not trying to troll or anything, just bare in mind there is much worse stuff going on in the world and it remains uncovered by the press.


Hi Riley. You make a very good point. One that I myself have thought about. For some reason unbeknownst to myself or any other Americans that I know, the world has chosen to observe our country and people with a voyuerism almost, putting all Americans in an uncomfortable light. It would be a change to have other countries count their bodies and problems publically for awhile.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:00 pm
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Hope that someone that was in that restaurant saw and is able to tell authorities more about these 2 believed to be responsible :

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/18/wanted-i ... these-men/

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:46 pm
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rileymcc wrote:
While any life lost by any sort of attack certainly is bad, what I don't get is a lot more people die every day from attacks in different countries, and that doesn't make worldwide news. I'm not trying to troll or anything, just bare in mind there is much worse stuff going on in the world and it remains uncovered by the press.


Hi Riley. You make a very good point. ... It would be a change to have other countries count their bodies and problems publically for awhile.


They do, but nobody else cares. But no other country has the problems with terrorism, right wing nutters, or guns, that the US has.

There's also this thing that every other govt feels the need to copy US security measures, whenever anything happens over there. It's because of the FTA, that I can't board an internal flight in Aus anymore without a security check, or a toothpick.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:02 pm
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Unfortunately the Boston tragedy fueled conspiracy theories.

Dan Bidondi, an Infowars reporter working for the radical right-wing TV broadcaster Alex Jones accused the US Government of a staged false flag attack during the marathon.

Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick immediately denied the accusations.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/15 ... -su/193635

Personally I don't think the gov't planned itself the attack.

Commenting such kind of information is not my cup of tea. :oops:


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:12 pm
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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:16 pm
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“We strongly encourage those who were at the Forum Restaurant,” to contact authorities. He also said that members of the public should not attempt to apprehend the suspects themselves.

“Do not take any action on your own,” DesLauriers said. “Somebody out there knows these individuals.”

The FBI site has the photos up now.

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:13 pm
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Wow, I feel very sorry for the victims. Thoughts to them.

However, what troubles me from where I am is that there have been a number of horrific incidents in USA that would never happen (at least in a very long time) in my country over the past couple years- most of which could've been avoidable.

I hope these people are brought to justice and that they don't have an "agenda" that will cause an unrest..

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:26 pm
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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
rileymcc wrote:
While any life lost by any sort of attack certainly is bad, what I don't get is a lot more people die every day from attacks in different countries, and that doesn't make worldwide news. I'm not trying to troll or anything, just bare in mind there is much worse stuff going on in the world and it remains uncovered by the press.


Hi Riley. You make a very good point. ... It would be a change to have other countries count their bodies and problems publically for awhile.


They do, but nobody else cares. But no other country has the problems with terrorism, right wing nutters, or guns, that the US has.

There's also this thing that every other govt feels the need to copy US security measures, whenever anything happens over there. It's because of the FTA, that I can't board an internal flight in Aus anymore without a security check, or a toothpick.


I'll have to disagree with a few things: Not all "nutters" are right wing; there is plenty of terrorism in the Middle East; and guns are just a tool like anything else. Obviously, from this experience, you can kill people with anything. Where there is a will, there's a way.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:41 pm
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While nutters of any politics will find a way to kill people in spectacular circumstances for international media attention, guns, and the very easy access to them, kills around 30,000 a year in the US.

The US had a opportunity to make that access harder this very week, and failed, due to one big lobby group, that puts personal choice over saving lives. That irony is very sad indeed.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:54 pm
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I'm only going to say this, and this only. The only thing this law would have done was take away the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and do absolutely nothing to stop criminals who don't care about such laws. It's good that it was stopped. Personal choice is better than living under a police state, like China or North Korea. You may disagree, but that's your choice. I'm not going to get into an argument, especially over the Internet.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:13 pm
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Sure, an internet argument fixes nothing. Sadly, it's because of the apparently untouchable symbolism of Constitutional rights that you're never going to fix a massive issue. I wonder if it would if the 30,000 a year somehow managed to all get killed on the same day?

Australia had the balls to do it after a massacre in Tasmania in '96. I guess that infringed on people's 'rights' but it hasn't happened since either. But our gun lobby doesn't have senators in its pocket.


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:47 pm
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This is definately one of the bombers ,(guy in the white cap) caught on someone's phone pic and recognised as one of the suspects by the picture taker's friends

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and here is the story

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... first.html

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:53 pm
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Sure, an internet argument fixes nothing. Sadly, it's because of the apparently untouchable symbolism of Constitutional rights that you're never going to fix a massive issue. I wonder if it would if the 30,000 a year somehow managed to all get killed on the same day?

Australia had the balls to do it after a massacre in Tasmania in '96. I guess that infringed on people's 'rights' but it hasn't happened since either. But our gun lobby doesn't have senators in its pocket.

Cherry picked stats mean nothing. Here's how it breaks down:

Suicide: 18,735 deaths
Homicide: 11,493 deaths
Unintentional: 554 deaths
Legal interventions: 333 deaths
Undetermined: 232 deaths
Suicides account for over 60% of gun related deaths in the USA.

Now here's something interesting. Gun related deaths per capita vs gun ownership per capita stats. The USA has the largest gun owner per capita in the world. So it should naturally (if you watch MSleftBC) lead the world in gun-related deaths. Since more gun owners = more gun deaths since guns fire themselves right?
http://mark.reid.name/blog/gun-deaths-v ... rship.html

More? http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=2

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Empirical research on firearms and violence has resulted in important findings that can inform policy decisions. In particular, a wealth of descriptive information exists about the prevalence of firearm-related injuries and deaths, about firearms markets, and about the relationships between rates of gun ownership and violence. Research has found, for example, that higher rates of household firearms ownership are associated with higher rates of gun suicide, that illegal diversions from legitimate commerce are important sources of crime guns and guns used in suicide, that firearms are used defensively many times per day, and that some types of targeted police interventions may effectively lower gun crime and violence. This information is a vital starting point for any constructive dialogue about how to address the problem of firearms and violence.


How about the bottomline? Which is violent crimes. Gun Toting USA should be a much more dangerous place to live than in "gun free" Great Britain, right?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... lent-crime

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_296191.pdf

Ok, I know that's a whole lot to read so I'll just copy the numbers.

USA violent crimes: 1.2 million
UK violent crimes: 1.94 million

There's 63 million people in the UK
There's 314 million people in the USA

When you break it down, UK is 3,100 per 100,000, and in the US it is 380 per 100,000. Wait, less violent crimes in gun-toting America? What is this?

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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:40 am
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How about the bottomline? Which is violent crimes. Gun Toting USA should be a much more dangerous place to live than in "gun free" Great Britain, right?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... lent-crime

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_296191.pdf

Ok, I know that's a whole lot to read so I'll just copy the numbers.

USA violent crimes: 1.2 million
UK violent crimes: 1.94 million

There's 63 million people in the UK
There's 314 million people in the USA

When you break it down, UK is 3,100 per 100,000, and in the US it is 380 per 100,000. Wait, less violent crimes in gun-toting America? What is this?


I'm not going to wade into the rather turbulent waters of the gun debate, but I will point out that those particular statistics (which seem to surface regularly in this particular debate) have been pointed out many times to be immensely misleading.

Different countries have different classification for 'violent crime' - ours in the UK is much more inclusive than the USA. Tossing a paper cup at someone over here can technically be put down on the 'violent assault' stats, put it that way. Not really a good incentive for me to want to walk around armed. Then again, I felt no need to own a gun when I was allowed to when living in the USA either, so that may just be me. :mrgreen:

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But no other country has the problems with terrorism, right wing nutters, or guns, that the US has.


From someone who very narrowly avoided getting blown to bits by an IRA bomb in London, I do somewhat disagree with that statement. ;)

Every country in the world has nutters, that's one of the few facts in life which is universal. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Boston Marathon Tragedy
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:50 am
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But no other country has the problems with terrorism, right wing nutters, or guns, that the US has.

Please tell me you're joking, right? Possibly the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this year.

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