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Post subject: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:09 pm
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Just watched an Ike & Tina Turner Review show, circa 1971, on Netflix.

Hey dudes, that show was a party, no?

Where does Ike Turner rank, if at all, among the great guitarists? Any historical significance?

Edit: 'cause there's this part at the end where they do a blues number, and he copies her vocals with matching lines on his strat, she watches, and she seems to have great difficulty stopping herself from ripping his clothes off right there on the stage.


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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:33 pm
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He ranked #1 in the "WIFE BEATING " category


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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:52 pm
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oxfan wrote:
He ranked #1 in the "WIFE BEATING " category


Doubtful. Probably just the most infamous.


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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:03 pm
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oxfan wrote:
He ranked #1 in the "WIFE BEATING " category


+1

He was a punk.

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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:18 pm
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Average guitarist, top notch scum bag. :evil:

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Her Wanna wrote:
oxfan wrote:
He ranked #1 in the "WIFE BEATING " category


Doubtful. Probably just the most infamous.

No he was def a top 5 wife beater and a ok guitar player


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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:34 pm
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I think he was married 13 times, or something ridiculous like that.


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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:06 pm
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He was actually a fantastic guitarist and a loving husband...Ok, I couldn't even type that without throwing up in my mouth a little...he was a first class dumbazz period!

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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:01 am
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Like it or not, though a high roller in the 'not a nice guy' category alongside other music industry luminaries such as Phil Spector, Ike Turner has earned a position of note with regard to the kind of music he is famous for. Such is life. :?

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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:06 am
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He made some great music.


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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:38 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
Just watched an Ike & Tina Turner Review show, circa 1971, on Netflix.

Hey dudes, that show was a party, no?

Where does Ike Turner rank, if at all, among the great guitarists? Any historical significance?

Edit: 'cause there's this part at the end where they do a blues number, and he copies her vocals with matching lines on his strat, she watches, and she seems to have great difficulty stopping herself from ripping his clothes off right there on the stage.


On a good night - they (he) was the bomb!

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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:36 am
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I heard some good performances from this guy, I guess when he wasnt busy being drunk. Too bad he was a crappy man, he would have got a better career.


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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:41 pm
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I first came to Ike Turner's music during the "REVUE" phase in the late 60's to early 70's. Never heard of him before that. I was a teenager totally unaware he'd had quite a career already spanning the late 40's to early 60's. Since then I've learned a lot more about the early Ike Turner. I suggest instead of bashing him perhaps it would be more of a musical education to learn more about him and the significant impact he had on music and the founding of Rock And Roll prior to meeting Anna Mae Bullock, who he turned into Tina Turner.

Whatever difficulties came to Ike Turner, came after he discovered Miss Bullock in 1956.

There are two records that are held up as being arguably "THE FIRST ROCK & ROLL RECORD." One is "The Fat Man" (1949) by Fats Domino. The other is "Rocket 88" (1951) and on the label it says it is by Jackie Brenston & his Delta Cats. The fact is Jackie Brenston's "Delta Cats" is actually Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm in which Jackie Brenston played sax. Actually Ike Turner co-wrote, arranged, played on and produced "Rocket 88" at Sun. That in itself makes him a cornerstone of Rock And Roll. Even Little Richard credits Ike Turner as more of a founding father of Rock than himself.

I know of no evidence that would cast any doubt upon what was written by the former Mrs. Turner in her "I, Tina" autobiography. I also have no evidence that the adaptation of her book by Disney/Touchstone into a major motion picture retitled to one of Tina's solo songs, "What's Love Got To Do With It," contained anything inaccurate either.

However speaking from personal experience in dealing with interpersonal relationships, failing to realize that there are always two sides to every story is very naive and foolish. Ike's story was never told while everything written in "I, Tina" or shown in the film was only the "She Said" part.

I wonder what sort of career Anna Mae Bullock would have had without having known and worked with Ike Turner?

I wonder what his legacy would have been if he'd never met Anna Mae Bullock?

The answer to both questions is almost certainly the same two words. Quite different.

Ike Turner was no doubt a classic control freak over all his employees and over all his projects and Tina alleges he habitually assaulted her. Yes he did go to prison on narcotics charges. Yes he was nabbed with a live hand grenade.

Yet few know that before he met Tina he was a teetotaler and never used any drugs of any kind and actually fired several band members just for drinking. He had already had a successful recording career and his band was booked up when he "discovered" her.

On the strength of his work he received 2 Grammy awards and was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame along with other honors regardless of what was said about him by Tina or the even worse things Disney/Touchstone added to their depiction in the film based on the book.

When I look at his work in a historical perspective instead of from a "She Said-He Said" perspective I find a dedicated professional musician both before meeting Tina, during the REVUE years and again after his infamous drug use and incarceration when he got and stayed clean and sober. Whatever his faults, he was an innovator and at least a borderline genius if not a full blown one. Genius is often accompanied by impatience or perfectionism and it is clear he at times demonstrated both. It is also clear that he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder shortly before his death.

I'm not saying he was a saint, because he certainly wasn't. What I'm saying instead is that he never wrote an autobiography and nobody ever made a movie about his side of things. Whenever you only hear one side of a story, that often isn't the entire story.

Ok, if Ike Turner was not the dastardly snake in the film why didn't Ike Turner set the record straight? He had accepted a $50,000 payment from Disney/Touchstone after Tina's book came out which in essence gagged him from speaking about out about how they were going to portray him in the film or from taking any steps legally against Disney/Touchstone to defend himself. Ike misunderstood what the legalese said until it was too late. By taking this money from Disney he signed away his right to give the "He Said" part of what happened so they could have turned him into Adolf Hitler if they wanted and he couldn't have done a single thing about it. Essentially they pretty much did just that.

After the film came out it was open season on Ike. Since he did not fire back at Disney, everyone figured he must be "guilty as charged" by Tina and became fair game for every stand up comic, late night sketch comedy show and even small town DJ's from coast to coast. People who didn't read the book didn't know that Touchstone's depiction of Ike Turner vilified him even beyond what was in the book. People didn't know about the release he signed for Touchstone/Disney either, because it had not been made public.

I've never been a huge fan of Ike Turner the person, but a fan of his music and songs and especially his arranging which excelled at making the most of what he had to work with. I can say that about a lot of people, and not just Ike Turner. While I think he was way more than just a tad difficult to work for, I don't think all the derision heaped upon him was necessarily justified. Sure he treated Tina bad, but he treated everyone bad. People knew that Ike Turner could turn on you after one little slip up. One slip or sour note was all it took to totally flip him out. That was the bipolar disorder. If you've never dealt with someone who is bipolar, you are very lucky.

As a musician I think you would do better to study his music than his personality or his domestic, legal and substance abuse issues.


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Post subject: Re: IKE & TINA TURNER
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:07 pm
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I'm glad there's at least some respect for his music. I've heard his music and judging that alone I like it. His personal life, I only know from the movie they show on Lifetime, WE or other man hating networks. Not defending the guy but who knows what the reality is, he's no longer here to tell his version anyway.


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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:00 pm
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brotherdave wrote:
IAs a musician I think you would do better to study his music than his personality or his domestic, legal and substance abuse issues.

I alluded to all of this in my comment but certainly not as well crafted. :wink:

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