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Post subject: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:56 am
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After looking at hundreds of photos online and on this forum, I'm still trying to decide what Lake Placid "Really" looks like. I know, "It depends." I've even played a wonderful LPB Jaguar (50th Anniv.) I love the color, but I've seen really dark LPB guitars and the current Fender LPB, and I'm still not sure.

So what is this all about? I've heard a lot of good things about Reranch, and I'm thinking of ordering some of their LPB to paint my Strat.

Even with Fender you can can't be sure. The old Fender color charts and the current Fender color charts don't agree. The Reranch color sample looks pretty dark, just like the old Fender color chart. So what I'm asking is: Will my guitar look really dark or will it look like the current LPB I've seen on the Fender website?

Old Fender LPB: http://www.pinrepair.com/vgi/colors/colorf60.jpg

Current Fender LPB: http://www.fender.com/support/color-cha ... e-metallic

Reranch: http://reranchstore.stores.yahoo.net/lakplacblume.html & http://www.reranch.com/gallery/martylpbm.htm

A Sample I've found online: http://curtisnovak.com/restorations/Fen ... Blue.shtml

Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:29 am
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Pick the interpretation you like the best and go with it. For all its variations and permutations, I don't think I've ever seen a "Lake Placid Blue" I didn't like.

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:18 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Pick the interpretation you like the best and go with it.

Good advice - and since the Reranch product is the only aftermarket LPB paint I'm aware of in a nitro formulation that's the one you will have to go with for a respray. Maybe an auto paint supplier could provide it too, but these days possibly only in acrylic (of course I stand to be corrected on that).

Paris, regarding the samples in your links. Music is my passion, but as it happens colours are my profession. I've spent a lifetime looking at colour charts and I have never, ever seen a printed one you could trust for more than a hazy idea of what the actual paint is going to look like. That goes double for a photo of an old chart on yellowing paper relayed via a computer screen off the internet, as in your first link. And it goes triple for a printed chart that attempts to reproduce metallic paint with non-metallic inks.

Even photographs of painted objects are notoriously problematic at accurately reproducing colours, as any of the pro photographers on this Forum will agree.

Really, the only reliable way of judging the colour of paint is to see it in real life on the surface it is meant for - a car or a guitar or whatever.

Give Reranch a try. But I'm afraid you won't know for sure till you see it on your Strat.

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:20 pm
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I don't know what kind of instrument you have, but I don't suggest refinishing any factory finish.

That being said, Reranch colors should be real close to their chart. It should be pointed out that Fender colors of the same name and code looked different from one instrument to another. Part of the reason for that is today you can look directly at two different actual original Fender charts issued the same year back in the 60's and due to differences in how the charts were stored some colors will look different between the two charts when compared side by side.

Another thing to consider is that LPB is a metallic color and therefore will change hues depending on lighting and angle of view.

Also the LPB on a current USA instrument and LPB on an import may look different as well. LPB nitro looks different from LPB poly. If it is a custom shop instrument or vintage reissue they may attempt to approximate the way LPB would look today if a nitro finished instrument had aged the appropriate number of years, even if the paint being used is poly. Compounding all this, different computer monitors and scanners will render colors differently also.

If you MUST paint it yourself, which I never recommend unless you are experienced at it, then Reranch is probably the best option. 95% or more of the work in painting an instrument is preparation. The easy part is applying the color coats.

Really and truly I would highly discourage do-it-yourself refinishing of any sort. It almost never comes out as intended and often ends in a total disaster. But if you must paint it yourself, then Reranch is probably the best way to go.

Auto body shops can always do it way better than about any do-it-yourselfer and since the paint color is a 1957/1958 Cadillac color of the same name a body shop can mix it up right at their body shop if they have state of the art paint mixing computer. Fender colors with a few exceptions are based on automotive paint colors of the time and actually the very same paints the car makers used. Often Fender changed the color name, but in this instance they did not. Two exceptions to the car paint colors being used on Fender instruments would be Candy Apple Red and Sunburst. After Fender developed Candy Apple Red it became a popular custom car color.

This is where LPB came from and how it looked when applied to Detroit sheet metal:

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:11 pm
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I went through this recently with Daphne Blue. I was going to order a Warmouth body prefinished in this color. But the color they showed online looked too dark and scared me. I started looking at bodies on Ebay, and saw everything from robins egg blue to surf green, that was supposed to be Daphne Blue. I guess there's no way to know what you're going to get until you have it in your hands. I've since solved my problem by buying the real thing. :D

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:20 pm
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Are you intent on doing it yourself? Mark Jenny does nice (non-relic) work and you can order just about any color you can think of (and provide a photo of). His non-relic work is not "mint" think exceptionally clean closet classic... they're just something about it that looks older even though you can order it up a high gloss finish, w/o finish checking or dings.

Having said that I will tell you that they age FAST. Now, I'm not great about keeping the house warm in the winter or worrying about a guitar leaning on my amp as the sun pours through the window so it's developed some checking. Anyhow, I ordered a LPB body and asked it to be lightly yellowed. It looks very much like what I think of as "real" LPB but then every so often takes on an OTM appearance... I think it will eventually age to look more like OTM than "old LPB" but we'll see. Anyhow, here's a picture. Sorry if all my rambling is off the point... it may or may not be of any interest to you. Cheers.

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:38 pm
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JamGuy wrote:
Are you intent on doing it yourself? Mark Jenny does nice (non-relic) work and you can order just about any color you can think of (and provide a photo of). His non-relic work is not "mint" think exceptionally clean closet classic... they're just something about it that looks older even though you can order it up a high gloss finish, w/o finish checking or dings.

Having said that I will tell you that they age FAST. Now, I'm not great about keeping the house warm in the winter or worrying about a guitar leaning on my amp as the sun pours through the window so it's developed some checking. Anyhow, I ordered a LPB body and asked it to be lightly yellowed. It looks very much like what I think of as "real" LPB but then every so often takes on an OTM appearance... I think it will eventually age to look more like OTM than "old LPB" but we'll see. Anyhow, here's a picture. Sorry if all my rambling is off the point... it may or may not be of any interest to you. Cheers.

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Agree that Mark Jenny does ok poly refinishes.

While I list LOTS of refinish people on on my website, lots of people are not comfortable shipping their instrument way off to get it refinished. An auto body shop is a good alternative and yours probably won't be the first guitar they've sprayed. That being said here is the page with the list of refinish shops:

http://brotherdave.com/add_majorrefin.htm

Mark Jenny is listed 3rd on that list. The second person listed, Curtis Novak, isn't doing restorations any more and is instead concentrating on his pickup business, I just haven't updated the list yet. Too bad too as he did excellent work.


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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:07 am
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JamGuy wrote:
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That's the color that comes to my mind when the topic of discussion is Lake Placid Blue.

(insert serious applause emoticon here)

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:55 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
JamGuy wrote:
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That's the color that comes to my mind when the topic of discussion is Lake Placid Blue.

(insert serious applause emoticon here)

8)

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The 2004 Fender Frontline article on Mark Kendrick's '65 LPB Stratocaster (page 14) is the example I think of when I think of LPB. It's not as bright and clean looking (Ocean Turquoise or Ice Blue Metallic come to mind). I think this is due in part to the ageing process that Fender did on that guitar.


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Drew365 wrote:
I went through this recently with Daphne Blue.


Apparently you've been inspired by Clapton's guitar.

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:00 am
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chromeface wrote:
Drew365 wrote:
I went through this recently with Daphne Blue.


Apparently you've been inspired by Clapton's guitar.

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Inspired, would be pretty accurate. Right now I'm busting at the seams waiting for it to come.

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:15 pm
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Thanks for everyone's incite and thoughts. By the way, I really love the following combinations:

Black body, black parts, w/ maple fret board
Sonic Blue Body w/ rosewood fret board
Dalphne Blue body w/ maple fret board
2-color-sunburst w/ maple FB
3-color-sunburst w/ rosewood FB


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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:30 am
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JamGuy wrote:
Anyhow, here's a picture.

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I finally got my G.A.S. under control and I haven't bought a guitar or an amp since November of 2012 - that's a record, believe me. But my infrequent visits to this Forum are causing my self control to waiver a bit of late. And pictures like this are NOT helping. Neck humbucker, LPB body, rosewood neck... Stop it!

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Post subject: Re: Lake Placid Blue!!! :? Is Reranch the way to go?
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I wonder if this guitar has the 4-megapole 5-way selector to cut the front coil from the humbucker.

The reversed control plate is just the icing to the cake! :P


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My home built Andy Summers inspired Tele (featured in my profile photo) has a 5 way switch and coil slitting, a mid-range scoop and pre-amp. I can get some really nice tones out of it.

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