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Post subject: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:18 pm
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How does antares auto tune for guitar work? Has anyone used it? Thanks


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How does antares auto tune for guitar work? Has anyone used it? Thanks


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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:51 pm
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goodinbed wrote:
How does antares auto tune for guitar work? Has anyone used it? Thanks


I have used it a couple of times, with much reluctance. Both times when a solo was put down which had exactly the right feel and performance aside from one bend which was slightly too sharp to be passed off as 'artistic licence', and the clock was ticking, which meant the client was spending money.

Worked an absolute charm in manual mode for nudging just those single notes back into tune, but I can't ever listen back to that without knowing it was done, despite the rest of the playing being absolutely spot on. Nobody else would ever know, though.

To be honest, people have been doing the same thing for years in a different way - a surprising amount of very famous guitar solos have had even single notes dropped in to fix clunkers in an otherwise spectacular performance, or were assembled in a cut and paste manner from multiple takes. Sometimes it's worth cheating just a tiny bit if the overall feel is something which was spur of the moment and just can't be captured again.


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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:05 am
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I have used it a couple of times, with much reluctance. Both times when a solo was put down which had exactly the right feel and performance aside from one bend which was slightly too sharp to be passed off as 'artistic licence', and the clock was ticking, which meant the client was spending money.

Guys, speaking as someone who is completely new to this particular Antares system - are we talking about two different things here? The gizmo in the vid SBLS posted seems to be a realtime digital re-tuning module, altering the guitar's output without touching the strings - like Fender's defunct VG Strat, if I'm understanding it right. Whereas what Vulpinity is describing seems to be retuning an individual note after it's been recorded. Is that right?

Or maybe this Antares thingy does that as well?

BTW, to Vulpinity: I note what you say about the Gibson Robot. I'm wondering if you've tried Wilkinson's version of the concept, his auto-tuning bridge for Strat type guitars? Last year I went to see him demo it and I must admit I was very impressed. Not enough to want one, but...

It had a row of interesting features. For example, if a string breaks it can retune the others - while you carry on playing. A rare but useful capability. I didn't get to handle it but as far as I could tell it tuned perfectly, and very quickly. Trev Wilkinson is a brilliant salesman and had things to say about the supposed advantages of motorised tuning machines at the saddle end rather than on the peghead, beyond the nut. And of course it did all the alternate tunings and other such stuff you'd expect.

The one I saw fitted into a Strat trem cavity but frustratingly turned a vibrato into a fixed bridge. But Trev said a full Fender style vibrato version was on the way - I don't know if that's available yet.

Just curious what a proper professional player would make of such a unit - snog, marry or avoid? :lol:

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:25 am
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I think I've got completely the wrong end of the stick. I was talking about 'using Antares Autotune for guitar' rather than 'using Antares Autotune for Guitar' They might want to come up with a new name for the new product. :lol:

Certainly looks far more comprehensive than any other options I've played around with.

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I'm wondering if you've tried Wilkinson's version of the concept, his auto-tuning bridge for Strat type guitars? Last year I went to see him demo it and I must admit I was very impressed. Not enough to want one, but...

It had a row of interesting features. For example, if a string breaks it can retune the others - while you carry on playing.


If it can do that, and he comes up with a version that'll fit a Floyd Rose, I'm placing an order. Right now. I don't care about accusations of laziness. :lol:

My Strats normally have the trem set up extremely hard with huge resistance, so they normally don't even drift more than a couple of cents when a string breaks. My Floyd-equipped guitars, however, catapult you into a whole new dimension of 'Aaaaaargh!' :shock:

I haven't actually broken a string in about three years, but the threat still lurks. Probably in about five minutes time, seeing as I've tempted fate by saying I haven't broken one in ages. :lol:

I'm a bit torn on the whole self tuning guitar thing. The old school musician in me just thinks it's a terrible idea which takes something away from the whole playing experience, but the professional in me thinks anything which takes the mechanical side of the instrument of the loop and lets me concentrate on my performance is a wonderful thing.


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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:43 am
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Vulpinity wrote:
If it can do that, and he comes up with a version that'll fit a Floyd Rose, I'm placing an order. Right now. I don't care about accusations of laziness. :lol:

Here's the one Trev showed us:

http://www.fret-king.com/supermatic.html

I'm not finding the vibrato version at the moment so I don't know if that's out yet. Floyds? Dunno - though if this thing can retune on the fly... who needs a Floyd?

BTW: if you glance at the first vid on that page you'll also see his Varicoil thingy. I thought that was a silly gimmick - till I saw it demo'd. I actually really liked it: some of the in between a single-coil and a humbucker tones were genuinely cool and useful.

Anyhow. He said the bridge is also available as an aftermarket part and would drop straight into a Strat trem slot. As I say, I haven't been tempted, but it's certainly the best mechanical tuning system I've so far come across. Significantly better than the Robot.

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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:39 pm
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This is cool technology. When they can do it in realtime with any guitar and 99% transparency that will be awesome. Maybe in a stompbox. I am very fond of the perfect tuning and intonation. Piano players will rejoice at our equal temperament.

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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:22 pm
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incoming message from The Borg.....soon they will only need to half attempt to play a song everything will be corrected....carry on Wilson

Actually it looks a pretty neat gizmo, cant see it being on my GAS list though


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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:23 am
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Ceri wrote:

I would snog and marry that piece of hardware!

I don't care about tremolo/whammy bars (never liked 'em much, prefer hardtail)...now, my only question: can you program alternate tunings into that unit?

If I could hit the stage with one guitar, programmed to tune to 440, one full step below 440, open G, open D and my self-invented weirdo "South Side China" tuning (sympathetic strings and ambience galore), I would be happier than an armadillo that actually made it across the road!

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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:05 pm
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I recall Melodyne being used in studios for not only
vocals back when it was not affordable for many. These
days it seems that pitch control is a staple of many decent home studios.

But it requires work. I prefer to play a guitar rather than work it. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: How does Antares auto tune for guitar work?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:45 pm
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I'm a 70' year old guy that loves to do my thing in public. That thing is picking and singing. My guitars continue to sound wonderfull and I manage to keep them in tune, but my "VICE" dose not give me the same responce, as in the earlier times. So, if it wernt for MODERN AUTO/TONE/TUNE given to us by modern tech. I would probably get laughed off the stage. May I remain live and present, For a lttle while longer?
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