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Post subject: Hard Chord Question
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:55 pm
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Can anyone explain to me what related or parallel key that D#m would naturally appear to be used the key of C Major?

This prompted my question: http://www.drumbot.com/projects/key_chords/

The first chord in the second row is D#m and the key is C Major, I can't for the life of me figure it out. I can find D# Major in a related key but not D# minor.
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A little later/ Lets see if I'm close. Using a D#m in the key of C Major: C is also the relative minor of D#, and D#'s parallel minor is of course D#m.

So they took C Major and found what C was the relative minor of then used the parallel minor of that? Am I close?

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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:37 am
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what related or parallel key that D#m would naturally appear to be used the key of C Major?


Sorry, I've read that four or five times and I just don't understand what it is you're asking.

E flat minor (or D sharp minor) is very far removed from any kind of harmony in C major. E flat major is the relative major of C minor.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 am
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D#m is not a holy chord in Cmajor, for me. The flat 9 note or chord, is common is Eastern tuning but also some Flamenco type music. Malaguena being one that comes to mind. S, to the Emajor an Fmajor is played. I will not get into how much BS I have found on the web.

Or maybe it's my ignorance. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:06 am
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what related or parallel key that D#m would naturally appear to be used the key of C Major?


Sorry, I've read that four or five times and I just don't understand what it is you're asking.

E flat minor (or D sharp minor) is very far removed from any kind of harmony in C major. E flat major is the relative major of C minor.


Sorry, that does read strange.

The key is C Major, in what related or parallel key does D#m naturally occur?

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
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I think what he's asking is, "to which chord in the key of C is Ebm relative?" The answer is none because Ebm is the relative minor of F# which does not normally occur in the key of C.
Or maybe that second part was the real nature of the question.
Which chord has D#m as its relative minor?
F#.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:54 pm
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If you check out the link in the first post you will see that it leads to "Key Chords". This is where chords are listed that sound good together. They are either diatonic for the key, or they are from a parallel or related key. I know that Ebm is not diatonic in the key of C Major. Ebm (D#m) is listed as a chord that sounds good with the key of C major, so it must be from a related or parallel key.

The key is C Major, in what related or parallel key does D#m naturally occur? This is really what I mean. The D#m is either a mistake on the part of that website or is borrowed from another key.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
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I suspect it is a mistake.
A bonafide Jazz-man may possibly have another opinion as they often use chords you wouldn't normally think of but for all intents and purposes D#m has no place in the key of C.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:43 pm
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That would be a mistake in the algorithm they use for every Major key then. I checked some of the other Major keys and found the same chord relationship present.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Chord Question
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Now that I look at it more closely, there's something a little unusual about a number of the chords included there.

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OK, glad it's not just me. :D I thought you guys had be holding back on me, not letting me in on the secret techniques. :lol:

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Yes, definitely wrong. While we are on the subject, the Major b2 chord does make an appearance in classical music. Look up the "Neopolitan 6" (denoted N6) chord for more information. 8)


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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:10 pm
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Cool, I will read on that. I'm trying to learn all I can on this subject currently. I understand it can be a rabbit hole but I would like to learn at least the classics if I can.
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
Ebm (D#m) is listed as a chord that sounds good with the key of C major.

I wonder if this is the important bit of this whole discussion. Do Ebm and C sound good together to you?

Of course, you can put anything next to anything to make a certain kind of musical point. But some relationships are probably less useful than others...

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:18 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Deluxe Matt wrote:
Ebm (D#m) is listed as a chord that sounds good with the key of C major.

I wonder if this is the important bit of this whole discussion. Do Ebm and C sound good together to you?

Of course, you can put anything next to anything to make a certain kind of musical point. But some relationships are probably less useful than others...

Cheers - C


I suppose that is what is going on. However, when the application is entitled "Key Chords" that leads me to believe there is an excepted rule to each of the chords presented. They do show all the diatonic chords and some 7th's and suspended/augmented that fit. But then toss in some dubious choices. It would have been easy enough to keep all the chords presented in key and from a closely related/parallel key. They should change the name from "Key Chords" to "Some Chords".

Thanks for the help from everyone.

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Now I understand what drummers feel like when listening to musicians talk amongst themselves... :P

One of these days I'm going to sit down and learn some theory so I can understand what y'all are talking about.

Thank goodness for open tunings, where you can cheat all up and down the fretboard and (educated) guitarists have to slow down and think about what I'm doing...

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