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Post subject: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:04 am
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Hi,

I'm looking to have a bit of fun with a Tele I have and mess about with the electrics.

I want to put a middle pickup in, have a 5 way selector, but also have a 3 way (that would be hooked up to all 3 pickups) like an Esquire.

Is that possible?

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:44 am
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i dont understand the point but i think the answer would be you would have to put both switches in the same position. what they used to do was put the 3 way in between settings to combine two pickups.

what you could do is to remove the 3 way and put in 3 mini toggles to accomplish what your teying to do . also you would be able to get setting you cant achieve with either the 3 way or 5 way . which is all on and neck and bridge at the same time without the middle pickup. ive seen kits for this on ebay..


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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:00 am
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Sorry, I probably haven't been clear in what I'm looking for.

With the Esquire you get the 3 way for tonal variation due to it only having 1 pickup?

Im not sure whats involved electronics wise to alter the tone, I would assume caps wired into the selector or something?

So I would use the 5 way to switch between the pickups and the 3 way to change rom things being 'wide open', 'wired with the tone control in' and 'a fixed wah' (or at least I think that's how theyre set?)


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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:09 am
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oh ok i did that on a gretsch . they have what is called a mud switch to do just that and there are two capacitors of different values on it.. i added this to my 5120

what i ended up using was an 005 and an 010 for subtle changes.

it works throughthe tone circut as you mentioned if you want an idea of how its wired go to gretsches site and look uo the tone switch wiring or a schematic of a 6120.


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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:11 am
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Where do you think you are going to fit all these switches in a Tele? A Strat and hollow body Gretsch have a lot more room under the hood then a Tele unless you route it out.

Seems like a waste of time to me. Build a 3-pickup Tele or a 1-pickup Esquire and be done with it.

https://sites.google.com/site/phostenix ... ckup-teles

https://sites.google.com/site/phostenix ... s/esquires

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:14 am
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http://wpc.077d.edgecastcdn.net/00077D/ ... ircuit.pdf

http://wpc.077d.edgecastcdn.net/00077D/ ... ircuit.pdf


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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:21 am
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amx05462 wrote:
http://wpc.077d.edgecastcdn.net/00077D/gretsch/support/schematics/wiring/Tone-Switch-Circuit.pdf

http://wpc.077d.edgecastcdn.net/00077D/ ... ircuit.pdf


Major rerouting of the Tele body would be required to install anything like this.

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:33 am
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not really you can do this in just the way you said . i showed you the schematic so you could get an idea how to wire it only. your original plan will work. as to the switch you want to add . either in front of the existing one or along side it. i did this when putting fender pickups in a epiphone dot and the two switches were side by side. one switch worked a variax mother board and the other the fender pickups. the switches are about 1/2 inch apart. its tight but can be done in the space avalable. btw dont you have to rout for the pickups or is it already done?


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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:44 am
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amx05462 wrote:
not really you can do this in just the way you said . i showed you the schematic so you could get an idea how to wire it only. your original plan will work. as to the switch you want to add . either in front of the existing one or along side it. i did this when putting fender pickups in a epiphone dot and the two switches were side by side. one switch worked a variax mother board and the other the fender pickups. the switches are about 1/2 inch apart. its tight but can be done in the space avalable. btw dont you have to rout for the pickups or is it already done?


You keep talking about doing this on hollow body guitars. Do you have any idea how much room there is under the pickguard and control panel of a solid body Tele?

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:57 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
You keep talking about doing this on hollow body guitars. Do you have any idea how much room there is under the pickguard and control panel of a solid body Tele?

That's the problem in a nutshell.

Still, if you had a Tele body routed for a middle pickup then there's ways to add extra sounds, if you really felt you needed them (debatable?). For example, the Am Dlx SSS Tele uses a little toggle switch between the knobs to give the full seven possible pickup combinations. Three single-coils all on at once can be a nice fat sound, and you also get those Straty bridge+middle and middle+neck sounds which a normal Tele doesn't have:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... C_SISD.pdf

Other Am Deluxe Teles have the S1 switch. That thing makes my head hurt, but I guess you could use it to give extra combinations of series and parallel pickup linking, or to bring in a special capacitor in some positions. It would take a stronger brain than mine to work out the spaghetti wiring to make all of that happen on an SSS Tele - but brains like that exist on the Forum - Bluesky636 for starters. Here's a basic S1 setup, just for shucks (though this doesn't make anything like full use of the potential of that switch):

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

Forum user Andybighair did a Strat with three single-coils and no less than three S1 switches. The circuitry for that made me want to sit down and cry.

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:02 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Forum user Andybighair did a Strat with three single-coils and no less than three S1 switches. The circuitry for that made me want to sit down and cry.


Perhaps so.

But it would bring a smile to Rube Goldberg's face.

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:06 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Forum user Andybighair did a Strat with three single-coils and no less than three S1 switches. The circuitry for that made me want to sit down and cry.

Perhaps so.

But it would bring a smile to Rube Goldberg's face.

Hee-hee: yep, that's pretty much how it looked under the hood! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:11 pm
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The S-1 switch puts the "B" in Byzantine.

:mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:27 pm
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Ceri wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
You keep talking about doing this on hollow body guitars. Do you have any idea how much room there is under the pickguard and control panel of a solid body Tele?


That's the problem in a nutshell.


Ceri,

Check out the link I provided for three pickup Teles. There are many different pickup combinations shown there, only one of which uses the S-1. Several require a super switch, others are nothing more than a standard switch with a mini-toggle. Plenty there for the OP to choose from IF his guitar is routed for a third pickup. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Esquire Electrics
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:07 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
Ceri,

Check out the link I provided for three pickup Teles. There are many different pickup combinations shown there, only one of which uses the S-1. Several require a super switch, others are nothing more than a standard switch with a mini-toggle. Plenty there for the OP to choose from IF his guitar is routed for a third pickup. 8)

Hi Bill: they're excellent possibilities, no doubt about it. Anyone looking for extra wiring options has plenty of good choices there.

Though, what do you think - I'm quietly doubtful about smothering a guitar with lots of different settings. It kinda seems smart... till we try it. And then we discover what a guitarist really needs from his instrument is two or three truly excellent, useful tones and that's probably enough.

I have an HSS Strat with the S1 switch which gives nine (not ten, oddly) different sounds. It's true that I do like a couple of the non-standard ones, but still, I'm damned if I can ever remember what they all are without the diagram, because it's completely unintuitive. And for sure I never, ever find myself thinking: "what I want here is neck & middle connected in series with a split coil of the humbucker connected in parallel"... or whatever the heck. That stuff just makes me feel dizzy! :lol:

Of course, the OP is welcome to see it differently. Variety makes life spicy, for sure.

Cheers - C

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