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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:46 am
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Where's the moderator? This thread should be removed.

Still need work on agreeing to disagree without drawing up battle plans. One person's idea of humor is always someone else's idea of bad taste. Need to agree to disagree without hostility. Want to really enjoy yourselves and see what we're capable of. Search the thread on the Jon Mayer Black One project, or the thread on which we 'discussed' the ethics of operations like 'Reliable Fender' and stuff sold there. Ufff!! This thread is a children's nursery rhyme compared to those.:wink:

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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:32 pm
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I'm not normally a prude. But if the idea here is to show how talented people would look if they had disabilities, that's pretty sad. Yuk, yuk!

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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:08 pm
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This video was posted on the forum a few weeks ago, nobody seemed to care (same gag):


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:31 pm
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There's a bunch of them I think they are hilarious


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:24 am
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There's a bunch of them I think they are hilarious


No true musician or songwriter is going to frag another artist's work in that manner. A musician may not like the music or artist and discuss why, but a real musician or real songwriter is not going to vandalize a song because deep down they know for an absolute fact that they don't want someone doing that to their work down the road after they are either dead or a musical history footnote. It is in essence vandalism and Karma is a powerful thing. I don't find this funny one iota.

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This video was posted on the forum a few weeks ago, nobody seemed to care (same gag)...


The reason nobody cared about the DISTURBED vandalism is because DISTURBED songs are not exactly in the same league with Brian Wilson songs. Many people, including myself, consider Brian Wilson to be one of the greatest musical minds of the 20th century. He's indisputably the most successful American songwriter to come along in the second half of the 20th century. To me, Brian Wilson is a living national treasure. He's not a perfect person but nobody is. He has fought his demons and he has won. I'm honored to have met him and to have met Dennis and Carl prior to their deaths. Carl had what I personally consider one of the finest voices of the recorded music era. I've been in the music business on one level or another since 1968 and my appreciation and respect for Brian Wilson's art has been one constant.

While unaware of any of the other vandalism instances, I don't approve of people doing that to anyone's videos no matter who they are. I don't prowl YouTube looking for time wasting videos like this. There could be hundreds or thousands of these and I'd never know it. However the fact remains that even if there are 20,000 of them, sheer quantity still would not make it acceptable nor make even one of them funny to me. Just because there are roughly 17,000 nuclear warheads in the world doesn't make nukes OK with me either. Quantity does not justify vandalism.

If someone posts a vandalized DISTURBED video here I'm probably not going to pay it any attention as I never related to them and would not go out of my way to even visit a thread that has the Disturbed as a topic. I do own a CD of "THE SICKNESS" but I don't consider them a favorite. So I didn't even see it. However when someone posts about the Beach Boys then I'm going to view that topic.

Certainly some Beach Boys recordings, but their videos especially, are dated now. In all candor you don't even have to re-track the audio to make some of these videos look goofy because a few of them are actually downright hilarious in their unaltered form. The "Little Honda"video with Brian on the motor scooter kills me every time, but that is the way it was 50 years ago. Goofy was in.

The same can be said for videos by the Beatles and for some of their songs and major motion picture segments too. But lots of the music from that era still holds up extremely well and many Brian Wilson and Lennon/McCartney songs are still being covered today and will be for decades to come. Even a Monkees tune gets covered now and then and the Monkees put the 'g' in goofy.

Here's one example. Journeyman Memphis based sax man Charles Lloyd is a Jazz sax "God" being the Jazz world sax equivalent to any guitar "God" you care to name. In his youth Lloyd personally knew Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Lionel Hampton and Marvin Gaye at their peaks. He used to joy ride with Sam Cooke in Cooke's Ferrari . He paid his dues backing Aretha Franklin, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King and also toured with the Beach Boys. Last month when Mr. Lloyd, now 75, released the duo album "HAGAR'S SONG" with frequent piano playing partner Jason Moran, they chose a Beach Boys tune "GOD ONLY KNOWS" as the album's final track. The album has been getting rave reviews hailed as an "instant classic" continuing Lloyd's string of well received sax-centric Jazz albums. In under a month it is currently #4 in Jazz sales at Amazon. The album also includes covers of Gershwin, Strayhorn, Ellington and Monk works. So the Brian Wilson pop mini-symphony is in some pretty good company there and you can plan on that sort of thing happening for decades, if not the rest of your life. I just don't see anything like that ever happening with songs by DISTURBED, but I have been wrong before.


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:15 pm
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Really think you're overreacting.


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:24 pm
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.......and then there were Alan Sherman's parodies. Try a YouTube search for examples.

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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:27 pm
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I see where everyone is coming from but I also see Brotherdave's point of view.

For example, I laughed incredibly hard at the Beach Boys and Weird Al videos but for different reasons.

I don't know the Beach Boys' music well (if at all). The video portrayed them to be stupid, untalented people, but since I have no reference to what they're actually like, I found it funny. However! I can see how someone such as Brotherdave would find this offensive. For example, if somebody made a video of Stevie Ray Vaughan and portayed him to be stupid/retarded, I would be kind of mad at the creator because he was not at ALL stupid but rather a gifted individual. But I would also realize that it's all in fun, and some people's sense of humor is just much different from mine.

On the other hand, Weird Al took (presumably) somebody else's song, and sort of made it his own. He doesn't actually insult the artist when he does his parodies (for example turning Like a Virgin into Like a Surgeon, there is no relationship there and he's not making fun of Madonna).

So yeah, seeing as Brotherdave actually met these people and probably developed some relationship, even if a small one, I can see where he is coming from. I think its just important to remember that:

The Beach Boys are legendary, and some of the most famous musicians of all time. Nothing can touch that status. They will always be that way! If some untalented person decides to make a video making fun of them, who cares? The beach boys are more legendary than that person will ever be, richer, and more talented. Although this video will be forgotten within weeks, the beach boys will be remembered forever, so who is the winner?

I don't think it's necessary to argue over whats right and whats wrong, but rather just take it in stride, and realize that the younger generation may not have as much of an appreciation for them as you probably do, Brotherdave. Strings didn't mean any offense by posting it but rather he just probably thought the dubbing was funny.

Think of it any way you want though, and the Beach Boys come out on top. That's a silent victory they have over every person who 'disrespects' them (in your opinion), so there's no need to even defend them. Auto-win!

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(Hopefully I didn't offend anyone in this post. Just trying to keep the peace :) )


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:21 pm
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I'm not normally a prude. But if the idea here is to show how talented people would look if they had disabilities, that's pretty sad. Yuk, yuk!


Disability? Lack of ability more like. Have you not seen American Idol auditions?


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:33 pm
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Drew365 wrote:
...if the idea here is to show how talented people would look if they had disabilities, that's pretty sad. Yuk, yuk!


This guy has a disability


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Post subject: Re: Beach Boys Without Autotune
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:09 am
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Really think you're overreacting.



I've always liked Weird Al Yankovic since I saw him sing "Another One Rides The Bus" on the old "Tomorrow" late night show with Tom Snyder. That must have been over 30 years ago. I have no problem with his parody style whatsoever. He can parody the Beach Boys all day long and I'm sure it would be hilarious. But, he's not putting his audio under someone else's video either. He's creating completely totally new video, not modifying an existing performance. His film "UHF" proved just how creative he really can be. I recommend it as a great way to laugh away 90 minutes. Actually "UHF" can be interpreted as a parody of a young Ted Turner who did some of the same things seen in the film at his Atlanta UHF station.

Alan Sherman is another parody performer. Never was exactly a huge fan, but his "12 Days Of Christmas" is a riot even though hardly any stations play it anymore during the holidays. Again, he's not vandalizing art but doing his own.

Creating totally new parody art is one thing, re-tracking the audio to another artist's video merely to make the original artist look incompetent is quite another. This is especially tasteless if the party's performance being vandalized is deceased. Video vandalism in the form of the original post takes the least talent of anything I can imagine. With today's technology a tone deaf 9 year old can do this on their IPad during recess. It ain't rocket science.

Parody is a completely different thing from the original post. Parody is interpretive art, but it is new art and is not vandalism. The video in the original post is not a parody, it is a mockery.

You say I'm "over-reacting" to this? I'm calmly and rationally trying to explain that to me this is wrong on so many levels that I really don't know where to begin. If you want to see what overreaction really looks like, take a performance video of your favorite deceased superstar performer, say Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Vaughn or maybe the Beatles since Lennon and Harrison are gone. Apply the same incompetent performance sound track treatment to one of their videos and post it here and see what kind of reaction you get.

I maintain that anyone who would do such a thing as this is not a musician. They might can "play" a guitar but they are not an artist since they have no respect for the art of others.


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Post subject: RE: BEACH BOYS WITHOUT AUTOTUNE
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:04 am
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brotherdave, I feel that's a narrow-minded view of what 'art' is, but I respect your opinion and the way you expressed it.

I guess I just don't take it as seriously as you and some other people do. I have some weird tastes in music and a great love of parody and humor. To me, mixing humor with music is the perfect combination. And when you get into the realm of comedy, nothing is sacred.

I don't have the ability to take down the video from YouTube, as I did not create it or post it. I also don't see any reason to take the link down here. You can always report my post and I'd fully support the moderators here in doing whatever they feel is necessary.

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:31 am
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Really think you're overreacting.


You say I'm "over-reacting" to this? I'm calmly and rationally trying to explain that to me this is wrong on so many levels that I really don't know where to begin. If you want to see what overreaction really looks like, take a performance video of your favorite deceased superstar performer, say Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Vaughn or maybe the Beatles since Lennon and Harrison are gone. Apply the same incompetent performance sound track treatment to one of their videos and post it here and see what kind of reaction you get.

I maintain that anyone who would do such a thing as this is not a musician. They might can "play" a guitar but they are not an artist since they have no respect for the art of others.


I think you're overreacting too. The fact you feel the need to define parody and your own personal definitions of what you feel is funny, says as much.

You can't speak for all "musicians", (of your own definition again) and what they would or wouldn't find funny. For all you know, Brian Wilson may have seen that vid and laughed his $@! off. Or maybe not. I don't know what he finds funny, but nor would I presume to tell others.


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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:16 am
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Guys, these videos are all over the place. Have been for years. What's the bit deal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFXe18hJzO0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOJy_CBocY

Take note of the videos I posted and compare to my signature. Doesn't bother me in the least, nor should it bother anyone else.

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