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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:52 am
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Wait, not to sound like an as5hole, but peavey do realise that the delta blues was all acoustic, no amps? Calling an amp 'delta blues', just totally contradicts itself.

As Supro so succinctly stated above, "Delta Blues" was not/is not solely an acoustic art form. Many Delta Blues artists "plugged in" as electric guitars/amps became available/affordable. Many of the early electric blues stylists started out as Acoustic Delta Blues players and didn't change their style or technique drastically (if at all) when they went electric.

It's interesting that so many people want to freeze "Real Blues" in a specific era; Delta Blues is "frozen" in the pre-war years; Chicago Blues is "frozen" in 1956; Detroit Blues, 1953, etc. It's irritating that they don't want the artform to progress or evolve.

Many of these same traditionalists would have us believe that no person outside of a disenfranchised African-American is artistically and (possibly) physically capable of playing Blues music....which is unequivical, absolute, steaming hogwash.

Additionally, Hartley Peavey's company is located in Meridian, Mississippi; not the "heart" of the Delta, but dang near close. They created an amp that is geared for blues players (moreso than their rock, country and metal-focused amps); what better name than "Delta Blues", which signifies both it's origin (Mississippi) and it's intended user (blues players)?

Also, sometime around the turn of the millenium, Peavey used the name "Delta" for several different series and types of devices, including some rackmount effects and stompbox effects; in this case, the "Delta" could refer to the Mississippi origin or the scientific/electronic term that signifies change (as in "affecting" or "changing" the signal)...I had a decent-to-good "Delta Stomp" multi-effect pedal that I used mostly for the Leslie setting...it was replaced by my Boss RT20.

Ultimately, Delta Blues is not a misnomer.

I get what you're saying. Totally. Thanks for justifying the reasoning behind it's name for me. And for me, personally, delta blues was primarily acoustic. As soon as they went electric-style, it was a different style, cause it was electric.
But do I think real blues is 'frozen' in the pre war period? Nope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zQ8xID3Po
I can hear alot of pre war elements in that. I think it sounds as 'blue' as Son house, or Charlie patton. Different, sure, but it sounds more like it than Clapton....

Sorry for going off topic.

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:39 am
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rileymcc wrote:
Wait, not to sound like an as5hole, but peavey do realise that the delta blues was all acoustic, no amps? Calling an amp 'delta blues', just totally contradicts itself.

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It's just a name.

And certainly no more egregious than Fender naming it's Amps the Blues Deluxe or Blues Junior. Maybe even less so...

Peavey Electronics, at least, is headquartered in Meridian, Mississippi the Heart of the Delta which is much more closely associated with the Blues than Corona California, or Ensenada, Mexico...

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:00 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
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Wait, not to sound like an as5hole, but peavey do realise that the delta blues was all acoustic, no amps? Calling an amp 'delta blues', just totally contradicts itself.

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It's just a name.

And certainly no more egregious than Fender naming it's Amps the Blues Deluxe or Blues Junior. Maybe even less so...

Peavey Electronics, at least, is headquartered in Meridian, Mississippi the Heart of the Delta which is much more closely associated with the Blues than Corona California, or Ensenada, Mexico...

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+1 Delta Blues just evolved as a genre. As SA said, when electricity, amps and electric guitars became more affordable and common they went electric. The same stuff Muddy Waters played and sang acoustically, work electrically too. Patton, Son House and Robert Johnson were no more Delta Blues musicians than RL Burnside, Robert Lockwood Jr or John Lee Hooker.
John Lee was a deep as you could get. He brought the Delta up north to Detroit and Chicago.

I agree with Lightnin, it's just a name and it's all marketing. Throwing the term "Blues" or "Delta" in front of a name doesn't make it any better of Blues or Delta amp than a Twin Reverb.

The Peavey scores points with me because it's made here, affordable and reliable.

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:10 pm
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It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that the modern marketing approach is to proclaim an amplifier to be a "Blues" amp more or less because it has a tremelo effect built in. Definitely seems to be the Fender Pawn Shop Excelsior approach. I can't even recall if the Blues Jr, HRD or BDRI have a trem knob as well as a reverb knob.

I am a beginner blues player, and I must say the trem on the Peavey Delta Blues amp is mighty handy for that CCR "Born on the Bayou" sound! As stated earlier, I was looking for a used Hot Rod or Blues Deluxe, but this was the amp that I got an even trade offer for and it seemed too good to pass up! I would very much have loved the opportunity to play the Delta Blues 210 next to a HRD or BDRI, but I wasn't afforded that opportunity. I would also have loved to try out the Delta Blues 115 and the Peavey Classic 30... but none of those was what the guy on CL had to trade!

I am now keeping my eye out for a good deal on a Shure Green Bullet so I can dig my old Hohner Pro Harps out of my Boy Scout footlocker buried in the basement!

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
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Yea... Creedence Clearwater Revival.

A little Fun Fact... Hard as it may be to believe, CCR failed to ever have a number one hit on the US Billboard charts. :shock: :shock:

They do however hold the record for having the most number of #2 singles on the charts without ever hitting number one (5).

It's not that their songs weren't amazing or didn't deserve a #1 ranking so much as everytime they released a single, the Beatles, the Who, Hendrix, the Stones, even Chicago also had singles on the charts which eclipsed CCR.

Just goes to prove that Timing really is Everything !!

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:03 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that the modern marketing approach is to proclaim an amplifier to be a "Blues" amp more or less because it has a tremelo effect built in. Definitely seems to be the Fender Pawn Shop Excelsior approach. I can't even recall if the Blues Jr, HRD or BDRI have a trem knob as well as a reverb knob.

I am a beginner blues player, and I must say the trem on the Peavey Delta Blues amp is mighty handy for that CCR "Born on the Bayou" sound! As stated earlier, I was looking for a used Hot Rod or Blues Deluxe, but this was the amp that I got an even trade offer for and it seemed too good to pass up! I would very much have loved the opportunity to play the Delta Blues 210 next to a HRD or BDRI, but I wasn't afforded that opportunity. I would also have loved to try out the Delta Blues 115 and the Peavey Classic 30... but none of those was what the guy on CL had to trade!

I am now keeping my eye out for a good deal on a Shure Green Bullet so I can dig my old Hohner Pro Harps out of my Boy Scout footlocker buried in the basement!


It's not really the tremolo, it's the really early breakup of those old amps. All the old Tweed circuits are like that. My 5e3 Tweed Deluxe clone breaks up really early and is really dynamic, meaning that if you turn the guitars volume down it cleans up really fast also, the harder you hit the strings, the more breakup you get, the easier you hit them the more it cleans up. You actually play with technique with both the amp and guitar. It's a lot of fun too and the different tones and effects you can get are limitless when you figure the volume controls on the 5e3 interact with each other. I had an old Danelectro DM10 that had a real sweet spot. Most Class A amps do.

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:37 am
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rileymcc wrote:
I get what you're saying. Totally. Thanks for justifying the reasoning behind it's name for me. And for me, personally, delta blues was primarily acoustic. As soon as they went electric-style, it was a different style, cause it was electric.
But do I think real blues is 'frozen' in the pre war period? Nope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zQ8xID3Po
I can hear alot of pre war elements in that. I think it sounds as 'blue' as Son house, or Charlie patton. Different, sure, but it sounds more like it than Clapton....

Sorry for going off topic.

Not to get into a "this is blues" and "this is not blues" discussion--one of those per year is more than enough for me, thank you--but I agree and disagree with with you.

I hear what I assume you are calling the "blue" elements of that song (raw, emotional, deceptively simplistic) and I can even hear the invisible line from a Charlie Patton or Son House composition to this Cobain creation...musicians that made music from the heart--technique and vituosity be damned.

However, I don't think of the linked song as "blue" in any other sense of the word...and I'm pretty open-minded about throwing the words "blues," "bluesy" or "blues/rock" onto something that emotes a feeling that strongly, but that just didn't slide over into that category (at least in my mind). It was a nice little raw acoustic grunge number...either way, it was a good tune.

...but blues is what we make it, isn't it? 8)

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:50 am
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I don't see any connection between Cobain and the Blues. I liked some Grunge stuff, but, and not to start a Grunge war or any kind of argument about Cobain I thought he was pretty overrated. Jack White, I can hear some Blues in some lyrics and music. But then again White is inspired by the blues and it shows where Cobain was trying to start his own genre.

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Post subject: Re: Peavey Delta Blues instead of Fender Hot Rod Deluxe???
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:59 pm
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I don't see any connection between Cobain and the Blues. I liked some Grunge stuff, but, and not to start a Grunge war or any kind of argument about Cobain I thought he was pretty overrated. Jack White, I can hear some Blues in some lyrics and music. But then again White is inspired by the blues and it shows where Cobain was trying to start his own genre.

White is much more blues influenced--"Blind Willie McTell and Son House on Steroids with an injection of Grungey Punk" is how one friend of mine aptly described him. White is equally influence by punk and rock and hard-core country, too (remember, he approached Loretta Lynn to get her to record "Van Lear Rose," not the other way around).

...and I agree that Cobain was much more his "own thing" than many people before or after him...

...but when I listen to Cobain's cover of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" (or "In The Pines" or whatever you call that song) I hear the same lonely, haunting qualities of Leadbelly, House and Robert Johnson. He did that with a few other songs as well...again, he was much more of a genre creator than a disciple of any individual player or singular style, but there are "shades of blue" here and there in his songs.

...and I don't want to create a grunge war, either (grunge neither delights nor repulses me; there are songs and artists from the genre I like and many I dislike as well)...but I can't call someone who typifies and dang near created a genre as "overrated," unless I just hate that genre.

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....on the subject of Tweed Amps, beside the Peavey Delta model what might be a few other perferred types??? (both new and vintage).

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....on the subject of Tweed Amps, beside the Peavey Delta model what might be a few other perferred types??? (both new and vintage).

The old Classic 50 amps were workhorse rock and blues beasts back in the day. You'll still see them every once in a while in a pawn shop or a low rent used guitar shop. They don't get the "props" they deserve.

I know Buxom has a black tolex Peavey that he is extremely happy with, but I can't remember what model it is...

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Tweed covered really doesn't really equate to "Tweed Tone". I wish I still had a Silvertone Twin 12. Any Valco amp could do it for me. The Supro Thunderbolt is one of the coolest old school rock amps out there. IMO, The 5e3 is still pretty much "king" of old school rock and blues tones.

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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
63supro wrote:
I don't see any connection between Cobain and the Blues. I liked some Grunge stuff, but, and not to start a Grunge war or any kind of argument about Cobain I thought he was pretty overrated. Jack White, I can hear some Blues in some lyrics and music. But then again White is inspired by the blues and it shows where Cobain was trying to start his own genre.

White is much more blues influenced--"Blind Willie McTell and Son House on Steroids with an injection of Grungey Punk" is how one friend of mine aptly described him. White is equally influence by punk and rock and hard-core country, too (remember, he approached Loretta Lynn to get her to record "Van Lear Rose," not the other way around).

...and I agree that Cobain was much more his "own thing" than many people before or after him...

...but when I listen to Cobain's cover of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" (or "In The Pines" or whatever you call that song) I hear the same lonely, haunting qualities of Leadbelly, House and Robert Johnson. He did that with a few other songs as well...again, he was much more of a genre creator than a disciple of any individual player or singular style, but there are "shades of blue" here and there in his songs.

...and I don't want to create a grunge war, either (grunge neither delights nor repulses me; there are songs and artists from the genre I like and many I dislike as well)...but I can't call someone who typifies and dang near created a genre as "overrated," unless I just hate that genre.


I didn't find the white noise and mumbled lyrics all that great. He helped create something that came and went. IMO, Neil Young did close to the same thing only better.
Anyway, back to amps!

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Yea... Creedence Clearwater Revival.

A little Fun Fact... Hard as it may be to believe, CCR failed to ever have a number one hit on the US Billboard charts. :shock: :shock:

They do however hold the record for having the most number of #2 singles on the charts without ever hitting number one (5).

It's not that their songs weren't amazing or didn't deserve a #1 ranking so much as everytime they released a single, the Beatles, the Who, Hendrix, the Stones, even Chicago also had singles on the charts which eclipsed CCR.

Just goes to prove that Timing really is Everything !!

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I never really understood that. It wasn't for the lack of me buying their records when I was a kid. They had one of the best performances at Woodstock. You can get the Woodstock bootlegs and hear them. Johnny Winter too. Just Google Woodstock Bootleg.

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They had one of the best performances at Woodstock. You can get the Woodstock bootlegs and hear them. Johnny Winter too. Just Google Woodstock Bootleg.


+1

Mountain too. It was their first gig!

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