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Post subject: Re: The Story behind your nickname?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:04 pm
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F4 Phantom. The dragster of fighter jets.


Actually, the F8 'Crusader' was the NAVY's dragster at that time (which I've also flown).

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The F4 'Phantom II' was more like the NAVY's ordinance dumptruck !

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Damn so cool you got to fly those things! I forgot where I read that Phantoms were very fast but handled like crap, hence why I called them dragsters haha.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:49 pm
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I signed up for AOL years ago, back before there were any Internet services for home uses. I went to use my name but since AOL had been around for a few years, 'philip' was already taken. They suggested adding a number. Okay, philip1 ... no good; how about philip2, nope, philip3 ... nothing doing. Well, how about my full name? No, too long. Well, maybe just my first and middle initial and last name. Too long again. First initial and last name? No again, too long.

Darn, okay philip50. Taken. Geez ... okay fine, philip100. Taken. Now at this point, something must have noticed a pattern, so the service itself suggested philip602. Great, I'll take it, I've been at this too long already. And then it occurred to me that this was perfect for our rapidly becoming you're just a number age. Philip602. Not Phil, not PK, not PMK, no last name ... just the next in a long sequence of numbers leading nowhere.

So I've used it ever since even though most services would now let me use my name in some form. It still seems fitting for the times we're in. And I take comfort in knowing that somewhere out there I have a no name, no face, no number anonymous predecessor (Mr. 601) and that the line shall continue with Mr. 603 :)


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:19 pm
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1neeto wrote:
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F4 Phantom. The dragster of fighter jets....

lightnin MN wrote:
Actually, the F8 'Crusader' was the NAVY's dragster at that time (which I've also flown)..


Damn so cool you got to fly those things! I forgot where I read that Phantoms were very fast but handled like crap, hence why I called them dragsters haha.


Actually the F4 was a pretty agile airplane, but our two main opponents - the MIG19 and the MIG21 could turn inside it so you couldn't have a turning fight with them. Shoot & Scoot, Barrel Rolls and High/Low Yo Yo's were the maneuvers that gave us the advantage.

You always kept the advantage... none of the mano a' mano stuff you see in the fighter pilot movies. If you ever went defensive, you selected Zone 5 (afterburners) to get out of Dodge... that way, you can always come back and kill him tomorrow.

The F4 in combat configuration was limited to just under 1100MPH - mach 1.2. A cleaned up F4 with no hard points on the wings and w/o external fuel tanks could reach 1400 MPH - mach 2.

But, you never really flew that fast because of fuel management and added stress to the airframe. Most flights are about the same speed as a commercial airliner. Speeds drop even further if you are combat maneuvering (dogfighting).

If dropping stores or strafing, you had to drop your speed even more. The F4 had a center mounted gun pod which used an auxillary power unit to power the gun - a little generator w/ a propeller which came out. With this, you had to be under 300 MPH or you'd rip the aux unit off the pod + you couldn't keep the gun on the target. If dropping stores, you needed to be at lower speed to accurately place the bombs.

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:18 am
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:36 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
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F4 Phantom. The dragster of fighter jets....

lightnin MN wrote:
Actually, the F8 'Crusader' was the NAVY's dragster at that time (which I've also flown)..


Damn so cool you got to fly those things! I forgot where I read that Phantoms were very fast but handled like crap, hence why I called them dragsters haha.


Actually the F4 was a pretty agile airplane, but our two main opponents - the MIG19 and the MIG21 could turn inside it so you couldn't have a turning fight with them. Shoot & Scoot, Barrel Rolls and High/Low Yo Yo's were the maneuvers that gave us the advantage.

You always kept the advantage... none of the mano a' mano stuff you see in the fighter pilot movies. If you ever went defensive, you selected Zone 5 (afterburners) to get out of Dodge... that way, you can always come back and kill him tomorrow.

The F4 in combat configuration was limited to just under 1100MPH - mach 1.2. A cleaned up F4 with no hard points on the wings and w/o external fuel tanks could reach 1400 MPH - mach 2.

But, you never really flew that fast because of fuel management and added stress to the airframe. Most flights are about the same speed as a commercial airliner. Speeds drop even further if you are combat maneuvering (dogfighting).

If dropping stores or strafing, you had to drop your speed even more. The F4 had a center mounted gun pod which used an auxillary power unit to power the gun - a little generator w/ a propeller which came out. With this, you had to be under 300 MPH or you'd rip the aux unit off the pod + you couldn't keep the gun on the target. If dropping stores, you needed to be at lower speed to accurately place the bombs.

cheers!


Damn reading this made me grin ear to ear. I've always been an airplane aficionado since I was a kid. Why did I join the Army instead of the AF is something I still don't understand today. :)

Yeah I figured this glorified top gun stuff is nothing like real life. Hollywood is great at that LOL!

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:57 pm
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1neeto wrote:
Damn reading this made me grin ear to ear. I've always been an airplane aficionado since I was a kid. Why did I join the Army instead of the AF is something I still don't understand today. :)

Yeah I figured this glorified top gun stuff is nothing like real life. Hollywood is great at that LOL!


Well it's that glorified top gun stuff in the movies that makes many of us want to be combat pilots in the first place... :lol:

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:03 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
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Damn reading this made me grin ear to ear. I've always been an airplane aficionado since I was a kid. Why did I join the Army instead of the AF is something I still don't understand today. :)

Yeah I figured this glorified top gun stuff is nothing like real life. Hollywood is great at that LOL!


Well it's that glorified top gun stuff in the movies that makes many of us want to be combat pilots in the first place... :lol:

cheers!

It is said that even today, Top Gun is the most effective Navy commercial haha!

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Post subject: Re: The Story behind your nickname?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:18 pm
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1neeto wrote:
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Well it's that glorified top gun stuff in the movies that makes many of us want to be combat pilots in the first place... :lol:

cheers!

It is said that even today, Top Gun is the most effective Navy commercial haha!


They say that with UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) and AUAVs (autonimous unmanned aerial vehicles) aka Drones, that the Last Fighter Pilot has already been born.

They can now produce aircraft capable of withstanding as many as 30 Gs. But, they can't produce a Human Being capable of withstanding more than 9 Gs (and this for <10 sec.).

Just last month the first UAV successfully trapped on an Aircraft Carrier.

I think if a young person was considering a career in the Military, Aviation is an 'iffy' choice. You could be mid-career and suddenly find your field is obsolete.

Personally, I think there will always be a need for 'eyes out the window', but there's more uncertainty of that now than ever before.

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:46 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
The F4 had a center mounted gun pod which used an auxillary power unit to power the gun - a little generator w/ a propeller which came out. With this, you had to be under 300 MPH or you'd rip the aux unit off the pod + you couldn't keep the gun on the target.


Actually, there were two 20 mike-mike gun pods certified for use on the F-4 (all models excepting the early F4H-1/F-4A variants). The SUU-16 was the hydraulically-driven weapon, with the pop-out RAT to to drive, cycle, and fire the weapon. The subsequent SUU-23 was electrically-powered via the aircraft's on-board generators and had no speed/mach restrictions or aerodynamic limitations save for the inherent parasitic drag that any external store creates. The Air Force used both types of pods at various times but I'm not certain about the Navy or USMC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U. ... t_gun_pods

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The F4 had a center mounted gun pod which used an auxillary power unit to power the gun - a little generator w/ a propeller which came out. With this, you had to be under 300 MPH or you'd rip the aux unit off the pod + you couldn't keep the gun on the target.


Actually, there were two 20 mike-mike gun pods certified for use on the F-4 (all models excepting the early F4H-1/F-4A variants). The SUU-16 was the hydraulically-driven weapon, with the pop-out RAT to to drive, cycle, and fire the weapon. The subsequent SUU-23 was electrically-powered via the aircraft's on-board generators and had no speed/mach restrictions or aerodynamic limitations save for the inherent parasitic drag that any external store creates. The Air Force used both types of pods at various times but I'm not certain about the Navy or USMC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U. ... t_gun_pods

HTH

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Yep... correct.

Began w/ the SUU-16 (known to us as the Mark I) and later the Suu-23 (aka Mark II). Both items were about 80 knot drag items. :(

Airspeed requirements remained the same however due to the need to walk the gun into the target. Only had enough ammo for about 120 sec. of continuous fire. It was a resource to be managed and going all Hell's Bells meant a lot of wasted ordinance, and few results.

On Snake runs, we actually would totally dirty up the airplane (full flaps, gear down, full pucker) to about 220 KTAS, about 400 AGL and try to squeeze off 150'-100' before the target (we had no lead-computing gunsights), watch for the tracers... then walk it in. Time on target was negligable, so you had to be fairly exact, and you always wanted to bank a few rounds for RTB... just in case.

At that speed and altitude, it was true AFWAR (Any Farmer with a Rifle). A gunner on the ground with anything better than a 7.62 had a significant chance of breaching the canopy... despite the canopy's ratings - real cheek-clenchers.

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Fellow former RS $@! here too haha :lol:

Thats where I started using this name, and then it stuck on to all forums, my net handle!

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No great mystery to mine.

I live in WI and have been a KISS fan since 14.

Now that's my username. In real life, the "grumpy" nickname is a little different, that came from my kids and kind of carried over.

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