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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:59 am
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As noted, the one advantage of playing scales is that you can gage the feel of the guitar all over the fretboard and check for any buzz and so on. It sure beats the most logical way to do it: play each fret on each string. When I'm really determined to make a decision upon purchase, I actually do this so that there are no surprises later on (hey, where did that dead note/buzz come from? type thing). It is also good to bend the strings to see if they buzz or drop-dead during the process.

Sorry to anybody's ears, but when I'm not just 'noodling' on a guitar, I'm 'inspecting' it for possible acquisition into my collective. ;)


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:20 am
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The only guitar playing I feel is untalented is my own. :wink:

Luckily, I'm a bassist by choice, and by fate, though. There's alot of stuff i don't like, and alot of stuff I do.


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Post subject: Re: What makes me want to scream
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:31 pm
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dna9656 wrote:
You go down to your scared store and someone in there is checking out a guitar; hey cool!
Now what he's playing is scales or whatever; but he playes it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again; whether using the overdrive; it's scoopped (heavy metal) or clean. It's too loud so there's no getting away from it except over in drums or pro audio or the acoustic room.
I know we have all had this experiance and worse; when someone who can't play and is learning at the store.
When I bought my Tele I never played it prior to purchase because the above scenario was taking place; I think music stores should limit tryouts to 5-10 minutes in fairness to all at a volume the player can here; not the guy in the next town.
Unless you're buying some thing unheard of before chances are really good the guitar will note right; those things are made from gigs that cut the same way day after day; there is a possisibility you may find a rough spot on the fret edge or the nut, I have never had this experiance with an axe that was plainly not in the cheap (poor workmanship NOT low price)catagory.
It used to be "smoke on the water" or "stairway to heaven" now it's just those mindless scales over and over; or some thing else. I just want to get out of there as fast as I can.
The big Guitar store is about a one way trip of 30 miles; so currently that's a aproximate cost of $10.00 in gas plus the toll for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. It's a trip I make about every 2 months. Always in conjunction with some other need to go that far.
I am lucky as my wife is very tolerant while I'm in there; sometimes she goes in or goes to the craft store next door; sometimes she sleeps in the car; in any case she's never tried to hurry me through the store but I'm aware she's uncomfortable when someone is drilling that stuff into the air.
So what I ask is please DO check out the guitar; it takes maybe 5 to 10 minutes; remember the rest of the store is checking stuff out as well and probably ins't too interested in you're prowess with mindless note playing.


Oh yeah; the other thing; How can you check for fret buzz or dead spots with all that distortion and "chunka-chunka" going on? IMHO if it plays great clean and clear it'll sound killer with effects; if you're checking an axe out with effects on your just playing....not checking for fret buzz or tone; this could be subjective I know; but it seems to me all those effects can mask a lot of problems.


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:06 pm
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To answer the question, no.
What others consider to be crap playing maybe someone elses peak.
Also, you dont have to be that talented to write songs. I for one would prefer to write good songs than just being an amazingly talented player who cant be creative or put it to good use

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:26 pm
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Paulie G wrote:
To answer the question, no.
What others consider to be crap playing maybe someone elses peak.
Also, you dont have to be that talented to write songs. I for one would prefer to write good songs than just being an amazingly talented player who cant be creative or put it to good use


Seems some people go to the store to show the world what hot players they are and how many notes they can play in 1.5 seconds; over and over "Ad Nauseum" they are NOT checking an axe out.
IMHO you're going to be hard pressed to find a new axe for sale that's FUBAR (Fouled UP Beyond All Repair) or isn't correct.

Pawn shops are another story.

One note with feeling has some much more in it than 10.000 notes played in 3 minutes. A subjective point; but just as valid as another opinion.

There are different aspects to buying amps but even still most stores will let you return an item that just didn't work out; I took the DSL 100 back; it was just too much power! Besides you should take YOUR axe to check out an amp if you're really serious or take advantage of the "try it home: policy better stores (even websites) have.

To each their own.... just don't SHOVE what you do (play) in someone's face (ears) and demand or assume they like it.


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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:00 pm
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guitar playin is playin' but there is a limit, like when they smash guitars
gotta love kurt anyway :D


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dna9656 wrote:
One note with feeling has some much more in it than 10.000 notes played in 3 minutes. A subjective point; but just as valid as another opinion.


You and Salieri should get together (that's a reference to Amadeus on Mozart's 'too many notes'). ;)

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There are different aspects to buying amps but even still most stores will let you return an item that just didn't work out; I took the DSL 100 back; it was just too much power! Besides you should take YOUR axe to check out an amp if you're really serious or take advantage of the "try it home: policy better stores (even websites) have.


With time being valuable and gas prices sky-rocketing (expect $4+/gallon soon), I don't go to a guitar store, pick up a pretty guitar, take it home, and then find that it's crap. I'd rather discover that before I invest time and money. I guess you don't try on clothes first either (mainly because sizes are not as standarized as one would think)?

Like you said, to each his own. I usually fall asleep in the intervening two minutes where a guitarist is still sustaining that one note for three minutes. Pink Floyd was great at it - most others just bore me with it. Playing endless scales is boring also - but I don't hear too many of the fast but good ones doing just that. Depends upon each person's likes and dislikes.


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Punk is my favorite music, I play in a punk band, and lemme tell ya: its not exactly hard to play :P but the band isnt all about blowing away the fans with our talented stylings. Its a show! If the music is simple, it makes it that much easier to sing, jump around like an idiot, say funny lines, i.e. put on a spectacle.

My musical motto is "Get In, Rock Hard, Get Out." It doesn't take buckets of talent to accomplish that.

What does everyone else think??

Does that make my style untalented?


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Nope, some of the best songs ever written were punk songs. Punk saved rock n' roll. There's nothing wrong with playing some good head bobbin', toe tappin' rock n' roll. Wether it's palm muted half chords on a Mustang, or a the prettiest clean Strat tone you ever heard. It's all good as long as everyone's having a good time.


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Kuroyume wrote:
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Honestly, and I know that I'm gonna get slammed by someone for saying this, but I don't consider many metal guitarists talented. It's just sounds like something my brother could do with half a week of lessons, and he doesn't even play guitar! He plays percussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Depends on who you're talking about. Some death metal is just very loud distorted noise. But I wouldn't dare call Kirk Hammett, Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads, or Tony Iommi untalented. Sheesh - Kirk was taught by Joe Satriani. And both have more talent than half a week of lesson can overcome. :D

i think that the first guy wasnt entierly thinking when he posted that. what i think he means is more scremo stuff that really is just making noise with heavy distortion. randy rohdes was a metal guitarist in his time and god he was talented. i find it cool that he took classical guitar lessons. but now a days the average idea of meatal is like stuff that actually requiers no skill. stuff like guys that just get out and headbang. idk. thats just my opinion.

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As long as the person doing them is have fun who cares.


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