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Post subject: Do you consider any kind of guitar playing untalanted?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:48 pm
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Personally i think playing scales and stuff all the time is very untalanted. I seen this 1 guy in the music store dooing his scales very fast and some random shredding and tapping. Its all just technique (hopefully i spelled that right lol).
Its just BLEH. No feelings to it or anything..just fast playing.
Ohwell what about you guys?


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:51 pm
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guitar playin is playin' but there is a limit, like when they smash guitars


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:54 pm
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I look at it this way: Maybe he is just starting out. Everyone has to start somewhere.

There are lots of people who can't play anything on a guitar.

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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:08 pm
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No, there is no style of playing that doesn't require talent, dedication, practice, an ear for tone, etc.

Just because you don't like it or can't do it doesn't mean it isn't viable. That realization is what separates the real players from the pretenders.


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:12 pm
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Gravity Jim wrote:
No, there is no style of playing that doesn't require talent, dedication, practice, an ear for tone, etc.

Just because you don't like it or can't do it doesn't mean it isn't viable. That realization is what separates the real players from the pretenders.


Ofc it takes practice and so on. But for me its is the worst style of playing.


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:21 pm
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I use scale runs at the music store to test out the neck. I then use a scale run into a bend and test the vibrato and see if it frets out. Scales are very important to know, they allow you to get real familiar with where the notes are on the fret board. In saying this I'm not a huge fan of albums with 9 to 11 songs of ones mastery of the modes every second of the album. Who knows I may have been that untalented scale guy at the music store you heard.

Scales: Learn em, practice em then implement them into riffs and melodies.

Can I get an amen! :lol: JK


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:21 pm
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Scales and technical ability have their place-as long as there's a destination and/or a end result involved. I think rhythm guitar is just as important, but often neglected as it isn't flashy-but it'll DRIVE a song in a way that solos won't. I started playing years ago by using a Beatles songbook, where chords were as important as any solo, and I'm glad I did! I can't think of a three piece rock band where the guitarist ONLY played solos!

If anyone wants to show budding soloists a different perspective, show them the old 'Mickey Baker' exercise books. I still use them to keep sharp.


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Gravity Jim wrote:
No, there is no style of playing that doesn't require talent, dedication, practice, an ear for tone, etc.

Just because you don't like it or can't do it doesn't mean it isn't viable. That realization is what separates the real players from the pretenders.


I think jim hit the nail on the head. I know this guy that could play fast, had great technique, and was a monster, and put him in a band, and actually play a song, and he was lost. Some of the best players are just natural gifted!!!


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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:32 pm
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Honestly, and I know that I'm gonna get slammed by someone for saying this, but I don't consider many metal guitarists talented. It's just sounds like something my brother could do with half a week of lessons, and he doesn't even play guitar! He plays percussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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To answer the question of the thread, no.

As to the other discussion...

I am not going to even get involved :roll:

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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:58 pm
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As far as I'm concerned all forms of music are valid. There's two types of music. The music you like and the music you don't like. It's still all music.

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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:59 pm
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blues_boy wrote:
Honestly, and I know that I'm gonna get slammed by someone for saying this, but I don't consider many metal guitarists talented. It's just sounds like something my brother could do with half a week of lessons, and he doesn't even play guitar! He plays percussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Bash! Bash! Bash! ;)

Depends on who you're talking about. Some death metal is just very loud distorted noise. But I wouldn't dare call Kirk Hammett, Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads, or Tony Iommi untalented. Sheesh - Kirk was taught by Joe Satriani. And both have more talent than half a week of lesson can overcome. :D


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:01 am
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Who flipping cares what anybody plays at home, out or in a music store on their own time?

'Am gonna, in the words of that great American 20th century philosopher, Frank Zappa, "Shut up and play your guitar."


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:31 am
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I would consider my style to be untalented. But thats because I like to use that as a bit of motivation to play better, fast and with more emotion.

Chris


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:35 am
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You go down to your scared store and someone in there is checking out a guitar; hey cool!
Now what he's playing is scales or whatever; but he playes it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again; whether using the overdrive; it's scoopped (heavy metal) or clean. It's too loud so there's no getting away from it except over in drums or pro audio or the acoustic room.
I know we have all had this experiance and worse; when someone who can't play and is learning at the store.
When I bought my Tele I never played it prior to purchase because the above scenario was taking place; I think music stores should limit tryouts to 5-10 minutes in fairness to all at a volume the player can here; not the guy in the next town.
Unless you're buying some thing unheard of before chances are really good the guitar will note right; those things are made from gigs that cut the same way day after day; there is a possisibility you may find a rough spot on the fret edge or the nut, I have never had this experiance with an axe that was plainly not in the cheap (poor workmanship NOT low price)catagory.
It used to be "smoke on the water" or "stairway to heaven" now it's just those mindless scales over and over; or some thing else. I just want to get out of there as fast as I can.
The big Guitar store is about a one way trip of 30 miles; so currently that's a aproximate cost of $10.00 in gas plus the toll for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. It's a trip I make about every 2 months. Always in conjunction with some other need to go that far.
I am lucky as my wife is very tolerant while I'm in there; sometimes she goes in or goes to the craft store next door; sometimes she sleeps in the car; in any case she's never tried to hurry me through the store but I'm aware she's uncomfortable when someone is drilling that stuff into the air.
So what I ask is please DO check out the guitar; it takes maybe 5 to 10 minutes; remember the rest of the store is checking stuff out as well and probably ins't too interested in you're prowess with mindless note playing.


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