an interesting video about the illuminati

No457 Snowy · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:54 pm

Ceri wrote:

No457 Snowy wrote:

Sorry I meant "Central Europe" I have edited my original post.
Mixing 2012 figures with figures from a point in time two and a half years ago confuses the issue, Poland WAS the only EU Nation to avoid a recession by 2010. In 2010 the economic growth rate was 3.9%. The other countries, at that time, were/are already enslaved in debt, so in respect to those Governments, as you point out, not "playing" there was nothing to do there, the Central Bank system already had them on the borrowing treadmill.

Hi again No457 Snowy: well, we can use whichever year and whichever bit of the Continent you prefer.

In 2010 Poland's growth rate was 3.9%, as you say. And Germany's was 4.2 and Sweden's 6.6. In 2010 seven out of 33 European countries were in recession, the rest were not. Poland was not the only European country to avoid recession in 2010, by a long chalk.

I admit I'm scratching my head trying to work out what conspiracy you are sensing here? Are you saying that you think the Polish Prime Minister died in a plane crash in April 2010 because someone somewhere didn't like Poland's economic statistics for that year? But how would they know? The figures for 2010 didn't come out till early 2011.

Or is it Poland's non-membership of the Euro you think brought that plane down? Of the Central European countries you say you meant to cite Estonia, Slovakia and Slovenia are in the Euro, the rest are not. Poland is not the only mid or east European country not in the Euro.

Or is it the combination of growth in 2010 and non-membership of the Euro that made someone want to kill Poland's leader? Well, Germany, Sweden and Slovakia all had higher growth than Poland: Germany and Slovakia are in the Euro, Sweden not. Lots of non-Euro countries were in growth that year and didn't have their Prime Ministers die unexpectedly.

None of it adds up, whichever way you stack it. Can you explain your theory a bit more clearly, please?

It is certainly true that conspiracy theories over that air crash started about five minutes after the plane came down. There are many and exotic theories, all of which are boringly contradicted by what actually happened that day.

However, as yet nobody has suggested that mysterious dark forces plotted to crash that plane because of Poland's economic performance in 2010. That's a new one.

Cheers - C

Oh so now I have a theory do I?
I said I wonder about the circumstances surrounding certain events, that being one of them.

I'll make it real easy for you.

You believe what you want to believe and leave me alone to wonder what I want, and you can put me in the Nut Job category, how's that stack up for you?

I'm not going to join the dots for you only to have my post counterpointed yet again.

A lot of people are religious and many others also say it's the greatest Fairy Tale ever told to Mankind and no-one can prove any of it, these people will say it just doesn't "stack up".

Same principal, just a little respect that some people may see things differently than you do.

Snowy

strings10927 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:00 pm

RCB-CA-USA wrote:

Dr. Rema Laibow's primer on Codex Alimentarius, Dr. Rema a "whistle blower", she presents factual, documented evidence of the "illuminati" and their plans to depopulate humanity and then enslave what's left of humanity whilst they enjoy life extension.

Hey RCB-CA-USA, isn't Dr. Rema Laibow also a scientologist and a UFOlogist?

Blertles · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:37 pm

No457 Snowy wrote:

Ceri wrote:

No457 Snowy wrote:

Sorry I meant "Central Europe" I have edited my original post.
Mixing 2012 figures with figures from a point in time two and a half years ago confuses the issue, Poland WAS the only EU Nation to avoid a recession by 2010. In 2010 the economic growth rate was 3.9%. The other countries, at that time, were/are already enslaved in debt, so in respect to those Governments, as you point out, not "playing" there was nothing to do there, the Central Bank system already had them on the borrowing treadmill.

Hi again No457 Snowy: well, we can use whichever year and whichever bit of the Continent you prefer.

In 2010 Poland's growth rate was 3.9%, as you say. And Germany's was 4.2 and Sweden's 6.6. In 2010 seven out of 33 European countries were in recession, the rest were not. Poland was not the only European country to avoid recession in 2010, by a long chalk.

I admit I'm scratching my head trying to work out what conspiracy you are sensing here? Are you saying that you think the Polish Prime Minister died in a plane crash in April 2010 because someone somewhere didn't like Poland's economic statistics for that year? But how would they know? The figures for 2010 didn't come out till early 2011.

Or is it Poland's non-membership of the Euro you think brought that plane down? Of the Central European countries you say you meant to cite Estonia, Slovakia and Slovenia are in the Euro, the rest are not. Poland is not the only mid or east European country not in the Euro.

Or is it the combination of growth in 2010 and non-membership of the Euro that made someone want to kill Poland's leader? Well, Germany, Sweden and Slovakia all had higher growth than Poland: Germany and Slovakia are in the Euro, Sweden not. Lots of non-Euro countries were in growth that year and didn't have their Prime Ministers die unexpectedly.

None of it adds up, whichever way you stack it. Can you explain your theory a bit more clearly, please?

It is certainly true that conspiracy theories over that air crash started about five minutes after the plane came down. There are many and exotic theories, all of which are boringly contradicted by what actually happened that day.

However, as yet nobody has suggested that mysterious dark forces plotted to crash that plane because of Poland's economic performance in 2010. That's a new one.

Cheers - C

Oh so now I have a theory do I?
I said I wonder about the circumstances surrounding certain events, that being one of them.

I'll make it real easy for you.

You believe what you want to believe and leave me alone to wonder what I want, and you can put me in the Nut Job category, how's that stack up for you?

I'm not going to join the dots for you only to have my post counterpointed yet again.

A lot of people are religious and many others also say it's the greatest Fairy Tale ever told to Mankind and no-one can prove any of it, these people will say it just doesn't "stack up".

Same principal, just a little respect that some people may see things differently than you do.

Snowy

Ceri was not being disrespectful, he just provided some factuals that stand to be corrected what people are implying about the plane crash. Based on what he has said- and it is correct about the economic figures released for '10 not announced until '11. These are in the public domain to be viewed and are good calibre evidence to support what he is saying. It contradicts what you said and its very credible, however we are always welcoming of healthy discussion should you provide other evidence to support what you are saying because I'm scratching my head too. :roll:

Deluxe Matt wrote:

The thing that scares me is that if someone does come out with something real, we have all been conditioned to just pass them off as another nut. And as soon as someone is labeled a nut then it's like nothing they say is taken seriously. As if calling them a nut disproves everything.

Young people all over the world are being brainwashed to believe in unhealthy ways whilst watching paranoid videos that are false. As above, there is no 'real' proof of any of these claims about the Illuminati, political assasinations and whatnot.. no hard evidence. No investigations, no enquiries. No newspaper articles, no 60minutes or 20/20 current affairs investigations. No report findings for anyone to see.. Just YouTube videos. So Im going to believe that there is no such organisation- not untill I see an announcement on the BBC News or any other reliable & reputable media source.

Don't get me wrong, I love sitting outside on the veranda under the stars discussing the world's problems with my mates drinking a few pints. By all means, bring on a good healthy intelligent discussion. But please be prepared and armed with more than whats on Youtube by paranoids who call 'non-believers' sheep.

This morning I had some religious door knockers at my front door. I wont say what religion they were, but being the type of fella I am- I like to have em on a bit. So I asked them if they would like to hear about my own beliefs and whether they would be interested in partaking, seeing as they were on my property afterall- they weren't wanting a bar of what I had to say so I closed the door. I take this approach to everyone who believes so much in something yet doesn't want to listen to what other peoples beliefs are.

No457 Snowy · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:46 pm

Not many of them looked to be doing to well to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_Europe

Check Poland's entry, did I get it wrong?

You don't think the Central Bank has intimate knowledge of a country's financial status well in advance of anything being "published" to the masses? This is an organisation that controls Governments and economies and uses debt to retain that control. Looking at the link above, it seems to me Poland wasn't running with the pack and maybe that was an example the Central Bank considered dangerous, it has no control in that situation.

As you said there is ample information on the web for people to draw their own conclusions. As far as I'm concerned this is just like the conversation you mentioned on the front porch with a couple of beers and I'm just talking about things that struck me as WTF? moments.

I've not proposed a theory on anything I've said I wondered about an event, and thought...is there more to this than meets the eye? I just find it extraordinary that almost the entire Government of a Nation is wiped out in a plane crash, I mean how does that happen? I know it did happen but even that itself just seems out there to me.

Here is a History Documentary discussing the concepts of money since Biblical times. I first saw this years ago but it's an eye opener.

GTG · **Joined:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:08 pm **Posts:** 1307

Well, there's nothing like the facts to screw up an intelligent conversation. I'm calling BS on facts.

Ceri · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:36 am

No457 Snowy wrote:

Oh so now I have a theory do I?
I said I wonder about the circumstances surrounding certain events, that being one of them.

I'll make it real easy for you.

You believe what you want to believe and leave me alone to wonder what I want, and you can put me in the Nut Job category, how's that stack up for you?

I'm not going to join the dots for you only to have my post counterpointed yet again.

A lot of people are religious and many others also say it's the greatest Fairy Tale ever told to Mankind and no-one can prove any of it, these people will say it just doesn't "stack up".

Same principal, just a little respect that some people may see things differently than you do.

Snowy, calm down.

To be absolutely clear, I have spoken entirely respectfully to you. I have not called you a nut job; you are the only one who has used that phrase - more than once. I haven't used any such language. The only person who's being cross and disrespectful here is you.

You suggested there was something suspicious about a plane crash and stated some things to support it - things that are wildly and very obviously incorrect. Are we not allowed to point that out?

You mention religion: do you think that conspiracy theories are the same as religious belief? Is it heresy to question conspiracy theories?

My goodness, conspiracy theorists certainly dust up angry if you shine any kind of a light on what they say, don't they?

GTG wrote:

Well, there's nothing like the facts to screw up an intelligent conversation. I'm calling BS on facts.

Hahaha - I know, reality is just not so much fun, is it?

Cheers - C

ripitup555 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:28 am

I'll admit I get drawn in by some of these conspiracy stories and I'm sure there's more goes on behind the scene's than I'll ever know, always has and always will, what's that saying "power corrupts.....etc", as far as the EU goes "a right pigs ear" comes to mind, I'm sure though it was all dreamt up with the best intentions for all, just some are more equal than others, that's life, seems the UK are to be given a referendum on it all at some point if we vote this lot back in, I'd like them to turn that promise on it's head and let us promise to vote them in if we have a referendum first, only fair if we get to break some promises at some point why should they get all the fun...as far as that Illuminati throwing geometric shapes vid goes, as I said in some other thread it's a gimmick to sell It'll die off when some new fashion or old fashion returns that grabs the music industry by the you know whats, Earth Wind and Fire was all mystical pyramids n stuff, Led Zep lyrics played backwards was Devil worship dont know how anyone would even imagine to look for hidden messages by playing a record backwards though.

Her Wanna · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:58 pm **Posts:** 739

The funniest--and most tragic--thing written in this thread so far is the statement that nothing can be believed unless mainstream corporate media such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, or Time Magazine prints it. :shock:

The exact opposite is true, and that's the point.

Rdog · **Joined:** Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:51 pm **Posts:** 81

whew

i think i need a smoke

bluesky636 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:14 pm

Actually, the funniest thing written in this thread is ... this thread.

I love it when two opposing parties try to out prove each other.

Where's Walter Cronkite when you need him.

:lol:

BMW-KTM · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:42 pm

Her Wanna wrote:

The funniest--and most tragic--thing written in this thread so far is the statement that nothing can be believed unless mainstream corporate media such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, or Time Magazine prints it. :shock:

The exact opposite is true, and that's the point.

Although I tend to require proof of things before I jump on board, hence my reluctance to give full credence to Illuminati theories I do think there is a mountain of truth in this statement by Her Wanna.

BTW, Her Wanna, you are hereby subpoenaed, summoned and legally required to post on the "Story Behind Nickname" thread. :wink:

Just because it's in the papers or on TV doesn't make it true folks. I'm old enough to have learned that when it comes to the news you believe nothing of what you hear and only about half of what you see.

spacewolf · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:44 pm

Her Wanna wrote:

The funniest--and most tragic--thing written in this thread so far is the statement that nothing can be believed unless mainstream corporate media such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, or Time Magazine prints it. :shock:

The exact opposite is true, and that's the point.

So you're claiming that anyone spinning a fantastic tale on Youtube has more credibility than major media outlets that require standards of evidence before publishing so they don't get sued or lose marketshare to their competitors? That's a rather extraordinary claim, so I would like to see some extraordinary proof.

Do conspiracies exist? Sure, Lincoln was killed by one. Kennedy might have been, but we will probably never know. But on a global scale over generations? Sorry, but I find that almost impossible to believe. Such a vast scope would require too many people clinging to an unchanging agenda over too long a time frame, it sounds completely impractical.

Do we need to be vigilant regarding powerful institutions like governments, financial institutions, the military-industrial complex, et. al.? Of course, and that's where the free press comes in. Those "corporate media" outlets have exposed corruption and wrongdoing at the highest levels of both government and the private sector, and even brought down a US president.

No457 Snowy · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:46 pm

Quote:

You suggested there was something suspicious about a plane crash and stated some things to support it - things that are wildly and very obviously incorrect. Are we not allowed to point that out?

I don't understand what I've said that's been shown to be "Wildly incorrect". I see here the details for Poland and wonder why I can't read it and see it as you've described. It reads to me that my description was actually much closer than "Wildly incorrect". It even states, and I quote verbatum: "Poland is the only member of the European Union to have avoided recession, meaning that in 2009 Poland created the most GDP growth in the EU."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_Europe

That statement also means that the comment you made about 2010 figures not being available until 2011 is not even applicable because you'll note it's 2009 that identifies Poland as creating the most GDP.

Blertles · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:00 pm

Was reading on BBC news app that a Russian MP has announced that the meteorite was infact an American missile. I say he's had too much vodka the night before. But that a theory that's bound to be spread like wildfire. Lol

Her Wanna wrote:

The funniest--and most tragic--thing written in this thread so far is the statement that nothing can be believed unless mainstream corporate media such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, or Time Magazine prints it. :shock:

The exact opposite is true, and that's the point.

bluesky636 wrote:

Actually, the funniest thing written in this thread

I have to agree. Even having this topic on the forum has astounded me. I've had a dig on YouTube and wow- there are dozens and dozens of them.

There is basic psychology in these videos. The same type that good salesman use and politicians to pre-empt an emotion from the viewer whilst watching these. The more they do it, the more you will want to believe. Our prime minister did the same when he was elected into parliament. His message was "We have all had enough, NZ will vote for change" along with a multimillion dollar campaign and his charismatic charm..

Infomercials, properganda, salespeople, marketing & politics.. Illuminati videos even- it's all the same.

If you go back into history- this technique has been used by the most powerful leaders, and by no least the biggest tyrants of our times.

Blertles · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:04 pm

No457 Snowy wrote:

Well let me just say that I question things like the GFC happening, suburbs of Americans losing their homes and forced to sleep in carparks, Superannuation schemes losing more the 50% of their value overnight, waking up the next day to find that instead of retiring comfortably at 65 you will now have to work until at least 75 or maybe even 80 to have any hope for a semblance of the same standard of living you were set up to enjoy just yesterday, maybe no hope. I can't help wondering about forced Bank bailouts and entire Nations enslaved by massive debt, sometimes seemingly overnight.

I wonder when I see a country like Poland, the only country in the Central Europe in 2010 who's Government has not adopted the Euro, the only one enjoying solid Economic growth and not in recession and creating the most GDP in the EU, have it's President, most of his Officials, the former President of Poland and the President of the Bank of Poland, killed in a tragic plane crash. It seems very nasty things happen to Leaders who won't play the game.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ussia.html

Yeah, I can't help but wonder.....

I believe he was referring to this post Snowy.

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