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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:57 pm
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I cant believe you're going to scrap such a rare genuine fender finish. You say you're in no rush swap the satin body for one that needs paint and make some money in the process. Somebody will appreciate that body.

Also from vague memory of mine humbuckers will need new routing. Another reason to swap for a new body.

Anymore information on the mim 'vintage pups'?

I figured with the big chunk missing out of the paint on the back, anyone looking for one of these bodies for the rarity of it would likely want one in better shape... If anyone has a comparable body and wants to trade, I'm more than willing... I'm not really in any rush to repaint this one either. It's just one more thing on a list of projects I want to get around to eventually...

As for the pickups and elecronics, I did just get a chance to plug it in and test it out. Everything seems to work fine, no scratchy pots or buggy switches... but it is easily the lowest output I've ever heard from a Strat of any make or model. I'm wondering if there's a loose or bad solder joint inside somewhere on a ground connection or something. I'll pull the pickguard when I restring it, and see if anything is obvious... also want to measure the impedance of the pickups. It does play pretty well, even with these cruddy old strings on it. Unfortunately, the spare trem bar I had didn't fit, so the hunt is on for a proper sized trem bar, or replacement bridge if it comes to that.

In response to the "why would you destroy this rare Strat" questions, I feel obliged to point out that I did pick this up for $150 as a "fixer-upper". The big paint chip on the back, scratched up pickguard from heavy-handed strumming, missing trem bar, cruddy strings, and likely need of a setup and an electronic workover were all deciding factors in the decision to rescue this thing from Craigslist Guy's den of neglected guitars. Seeing as how I know for a fact that I cannot feasibly repair the existing finish on my own, I would think that giving it a special, personalized paintjob inspired by a classic Fender paint scheme in a classic Gibson color scheme would be a good second option. And for the pickup options, the fact that I mentioned considering two humbuckers instead of three single coils seems to be met as if it's blasphemy. You know, because Fender would NEVER design or sell a Strat with two humbuckers. :roll:

It could be worse, I could be threatening to "destroy" a nice firestorm finish... :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:45 am
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53 magnatone - i have the same guitar as the OP, albeit with a maple neck, and is still stock, hence my interest int he pickups you mentioned were in it.

of course this is never going to be a rare, expensive guitar, but with hundreds and thousands of boring coloured bodies sitting about the world, im sure somebody would be happy to have something a little bit different. indeed you are one of those people, but this colour finish just doesnt float your boat. if you were in the UK id have it off you. the missing paint wont be a big deal because it would never have been worth much anyway. the interest is in the colour and finish, not the 'rarity'.

there was a thread posted on this forum specifically for owners of these satin strats. the guy who started the thread, and me, were the only people who had one :lol: .

as for low output, i have nothing to compare to this is the only strat ive ever brought. it may be a 'fixer upper', but none of the work you've mentioned is really anything major. your biggest problem is finding another BWB scratchplate, undoing some screws and putting it on. not exactly as involved as a refret.

i personally like the idea of 2 humbuckers. check out Andy Fairweather Low playing 'Money' with Roger Waters. he uses a silver or black strat with 2 HB's, and its one of the best sounds ive ever heard from a guitar. im pretty sure theres no rout for them in these guitars though.

if $150 is cheap for a MIM std, put some strings on it, set it up and punt it on, then buy a proper fixer upper and have spare cash in your pocket. thats what id do.


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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:55 am
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moochy13 wrote:
53 magnatone - i have the same guitar as the OP, albeit with a maple neck, and is still stock, hence my interest int he pickups you mentioned were in it.

of course this is never going to be a rare, expensive guitar, but with hundreds and thousands of boring coloured bodies sitting about the world, im sure somebody would be happy to have something a little bit different. indeed you are one of those people, but this colour finish just doesnt float your boat. if you were in the UK id have it off you. the missing paint wont be a big deal because it would never have been worth much anyway. the interest is in the colour and finish, not the 'rarity'.

there was a thread posted on this forum specifically for owners of these satin strats. the guy who started the thread, and me, were the only people who had one :lol: .

as for low output, i have nothing to compare to this is the only strat ive ever brought. it may be a 'fixer upper', but none of the work you've mentioned is really anything major. your biggest problem is finding another BWB scratchplate, undoing some screws and putting it on. not exactly as involved as a refret.

i personally like the idea of 2 humbuckers. check out Andy Fairweather Low playing 'Money' with Roger Waters. he uses a silver or black strat with 2 HB's, and its one of the best sounds ive ever heard from a guitar. im pretty sure theres no rout for them in these guitars though.

if $150 is cheap for a MIM std, put some strings on it, set it up and punt it on, then buy a proper fixer upper and have spare cash in your pocket. thats what id do.

Probably not a bad idea, honestly. I could probably invest $45 in a setup and $10 in a bar, and turn it for $250 to $300, making a small profit. I might consider that, good call. :mrgreen:

Andy F. Low is highly underrated... he played some of the coolest parts on Roger's solo stuff on the "In The Flesh" DVD, and he rocks in a 3 piece suit like a boss. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:21 am
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There was a misunderstanding with my thought on an HB, if this body is routed like my MIM for SSS then that is why I suggested stacked HB's rather then the conventional HB.
Have no fear I have 2 Strats that are HSS set up, but the bodies on these are routed for an HSS set up or an HSH. However they both have a coil split capability which is always more versatile than just a normal coiled HB...( must be 4 wires on the HB )

As for the chip i didn't see it as that big, but I just think that even though you payed $150, then why not spend the savings on pups and wiring. But as I suggested earlier try 1st rewiring those pups. Click on the links below, perhaps they'll help ...

http://singlecoil.com/frmset.html

http://www.1728.org/guitar.htm

http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/menu.php

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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:07 am
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Well, really what it boils down to is that I'm a PRS / Les Paul player, and pretty much every time I try to veer off into something different, I end up selling it because I don't bond with it. Ideally, I'd want any Strat I intend to keep for a long time to have 2 humbuckers, wired for coil tap in a PRS style setup. Possibly with a 3 way blade switch, push/pull coil tap, and since there's three holes available, independent volumes (each one functioning as the tap control for its' respective pickup) and a master tone control. This would keep me in comfortable zone with the controls and layout, while still affording me some "strat-ish" tones when I need them. All of my current guitars are 2 humbucker guitars wired for coil tap, although I rarely if ever use the coil tap feature.

So, wether this one, or something different, any Strat I get my hands on is destined for some re-working in order to be a "keeper". I figure since this one was cheap, readily available, and already dinged up, it was as good a starting platform as any. If I can turn a profit off of it and still get another mod platform for the same price, then cool... but if I sell this one for more only to pay more for the one I replace it with, then I end up back where I started. Don't see much logic in that, aside from somebody else getting a satin strat. i guess it depends on how easily I could score another Mexi Strat as a starting point for roughly what I paid for this one...


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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:05 am
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Well, after giving it a good cleaning and a proper setup, I have decided that yes, I will likely keep this one as-is. It's a very good player, and it is routed for HSS, but not HSH... so my two bucker silverburst project would be a pain in the hindparts. I'll just wait on that one until I stumble across the right body and neck. The satin finish on this one is growing on me, and my lead guitarist in the band I play bass for has already said that if I decide to get rid of it, he wants it. So, fear not, the satin body will not be sacrificed for my silverburst repaint project. :mrgreen:

I will now be on the lookout for a good project platform for my silverburst though. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Craigslist Strat, too good to be true?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:05 am
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I have a matt finish in red. I waited a long time to find one. You got a good buy, esp. since the case is worth half of what you paid. Where I live, if it's a great deal on Craigslist, it's gone within hours.


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