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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:08 pm
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As the day marches on, I grow more tired. As I grow more tired, I become slightly depressed.

Thus I re-evaluate.

Since Sonic Youth is no more ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82BFFA7ZV-0), perhaps rock is, indeed, dead.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:12 pm
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...and please NO MORE NEW MUSIC FROM CLASSIC ROCK ARTISTS.


I get behind this with the "lost" Jimi Hendrix album scheduled to come out this year. I don't want to hear it. It won't have the same feeling, and probably will be overproduced.


There is only ONE lost album and that is "New Rays Of The Rising Sun" and all of the potential songs from the sessions have been released.

We no longer need more Hendrix outtakes or even live shows. Enough is enough.

And when we had bootlegs and got those cool unreleased outtakes we were in heaven. Now that they load up a whole second disc with outtakes I have come to realize:

1. Most of these outtakes are outtakes for a reason and shouldn't have been on the album

2. It's hard to slog through a whole 79min CD of outtakes.

3. I've grown to just love and appreciate the 40minute album.

John Fogerty wrote a great album track on Bayou Country "Bootleg" In the song he says how much water would be worth once it's made illegal.

Bootleg outtakes wow, we got 'em and we were in a secret club. Disc 2 of outtakes on the deluxe edition...not so exciting.

Music was so much more fun in the 60s and 70s


In mid January I think I saw a news article posted to Reddit about it.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:13 pm
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Her Wanna wrote:
As the day marches on, I grow more tired. As I grow more tired, I become slightly depressed.

Thus I re-evaluate.

Since Sonic Youth is no more ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82BFFA7ZV-0), perhaps rock is, indeed, dead.

:|


I could never get into them. Quite frankly, I find them overzealous, and borderline autistic. That's just my opinion, however.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:24 pm
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Buxom wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
As the day marches on, I grow more tired. As I grow more tired, I become slightly depressed.

Thus I re-evaluate.

Since Sonic Youth is no more ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82BFFA7ZV-0), perhaps rock is, indeed, dead.

:|


I could never get into them. Quite frankly, I find them overzealous, and borderline autistic. That's just my opinion, however.



try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVynhKpUeno


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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:42 pm
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It doesn't do it for me.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:18 pm
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Music was so much more fun in the 60s and 70s


Not quite sure which Nostalgic pill you are on but I have a very different memory of the 60's and 70's Music........ Endless torture sessions of Iron Butterfly, Pop Music of the Beatle's, nauseating surf music by The Beach Boys who for the most part required session musicians to play on their recordings. The musical Hair ... :shock: and J.C. Superstar .. :shock: :shock:
Commercial music was alive and well and just as nauseating then as it is today...

I believe there is a confusion in this thread in what an artist is required to produce under contract and what they create when the time is right ( or the celestial bodies are favorably aligned :wink: )

There were some great bands such Quicksilver Messenger Service, John Mayall, Alexis Corner, Shicken Shack, 10 CC, The Small Faces then Faces, Humble Pie, early REO Speedwagon, Johnny Van Zant band, Rossington & Allen Band, Marshall Tucker, Silverhead, early Santana before the split then early Journey. Ten Years After, T.Rex, Pink Floyd. Uriah Heep, Little Feat, Leon Russell, Tommy Bolin and the various bands he was part of ( today very few are able to easily slip in and out of Jazz, R&B, RoCK, Funk and just plain what was then called Hard Rock.......On and On ....

For all of the above had great music and some had moments that was just plainly hideous, The Who was a great example, Who's Next was a brilliant album but they always seemed to try to regain that spark afterwards.
Janis Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company was at times horrible. Think of Grace Potter with a serious substance abuse problem and that was Joplin's potential but sadly she also joined the " What If ? " Club.

All the above are not chronological but I clearly remember seiing some great music as alittle kid and also going to mind numbing flops. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:39 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
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Music was so much more fun in the 60s and 70s


Not quite sure which Nostalgic pill you are on but I have a very different memory of the 60's and 70's Music........ Endless torture sessions of Iron Butterfly, Pop Music of the Beatle's, nauseating surf music by The Beach Boys who for the most part required session musicians to play on their recordings. The musical Hair ... :shock: and J.C. Superstar .. :shock: :shock:
Commercial music was alive and well and just as nauseating then as it is today...

I believe there is a confusion in this thread in what an artist is required to produce under contract and what they create when the time is right ( or the celestial bodies are favorably aligned :wink: )

There were some great bands such Quicksilver Messenger Service, John Mayall, Alexis Corner, Shicken Shack, 10 CC, The Small Faces then Faces, Humble Pie, early REO Speedwagon, Johnny Van Zant band, Rossington & Allen Band, Marshall Tucker, Silverhead, early Santana before the split then early Journey. Ten Years After, T.Rex, Pink Floyd. Uriah Heep, Little Feat, Leon Russell, Tommy Bolin and the various bands he was part of ( today very few are able to easily slip in and out of Jazz, R&B, RoCK, Funk and just plain what was then called Hard Rock.......On and On ....

For all of the above had great music and some had moments that was just plainly hideous, The Who was a great example, Who's Next was a brilliant album but they always seemed to try to regain that spark afterwards.
Janis Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company was at times horrible. Think of Grace Potter with a serious substance abuse problem and that was Joplin's potential but sadly she also joined the " What If ? " Club.

All the above are not chronological but I clearly remember seiing some great music as alittle kid and also going to mind numbing flops. :roll:


Most of the bands you mentioned were great (REO? mmm no) and I love JC Superstar and In a Gadda Da Vida. There's always people who say they hate the Beatles but their musical legacy cannot be denied. I hate Billy Joel but I know he's talented and written a lot of great songs. I recognize his greatness but his music is not for me.

The music of the 60s 70s and even 80s has stood the test of time. We're still listening to it. People young and old know that music. From Elvis to U2, we know the songs.

Current rock is what I call "just for the moment" it's not timeless. I'm sure a few albums will stand the test of time but not in the numbers that have come from those earlier decades.

The 60s was the most incredible time for music. It will be a while before the quality of the Rock albums released in those 10 years will be matched.

I'm 56 and grew up in the 60s and also had a great appreciation of the 50s. My memory is not foggy. I still hear everything from Taylor Swift and Bruno Mars to Mumford and Sons and Adele.

Please give me one album released in the last 5 years that matches Abbey Road, Beggars Banquet or Highway 61 Revisited and I will tell you 10 years from now no one will care.


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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:25 pm
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As they say ....To each their own, I was not referencing albums specifically but rather live performances. It's too easy to sound great on a recording, but live, there's no replay, cut & edit just get it done or not at all.
I obviously disagree with you about the 60's and 70's, but I also stated early versions of the bands I mentioned, which I went and saw / heard. Personally I won't even try to guess ten years from now, what is " Top of The Pops ". But what is commercially succesful is not what I usually listen to. For instance I remember a band named " The Soft White Underbelly " before they became mega stars ..... Many of the bands I mentioned I saw when they were opening up for someone bigger and more famous. That is one of the best times to see a band, when they actually live and die by each performance ......

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
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Most of the bands you mentioned were great (REO? mmm no)

Most people have no idea that REO Speedwagon had an entire career before they became popular with their album Hi Infidelty that suddenly caused everybody to know who they were for their sappy radio hits. That album was thrown together in the least amount of time and effort they had ever invested in an album but it made them the most money because they were finally playing something the radio stations liked. They had some sappy songs prior to that but they also had some great rockers. The album Nine Lives was a rock machine.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:44 pm
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Most of the bands you mentioned were great (REO? mmm no)

Most people have no idea that REO Speedwagon had an entire career before they became popular with their album Hi Infidelty that suddenly caused everybody to know who they were for their sappy radio hits. That album was thrown together in the least amount of time and effort they had ever invested in an album but it made them the most money because they were finally playing something the radio stations liked. They had some sappy songs prior to that but they also had some great rockers. The album Nine Lives was a rock machine.


Yep .... You got it, I saw them 3 times, I liked them best around the time of Reelin, a very Jazz influenced tune, not easy to play with it's unorthodox time signature...
Also for me Santana was best up until the time Rolie, Schon split for their own gig Journey. Long before Perry joined them. Early Journey is where I thought Santana should have headed.

Here is a band that was actually quite good, even though they were labeled as Glam Rock ...Silverhead .....the bass player later Joined Blondie .... The guitarist joined Robert Plant and the lead singer is still working as an actor .....Most recently in the Suits series .. A bit of Tete a Tete with Louis Litt .......... " Gonna Get Lit UP :!: :!: "

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:27 pm
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I saw REO in '96 and it was an amazing show. And hasn't rock been dying since 1969? Don't listen to that crap, if anything guitar music has been gaining more and more world popularity. Games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero helped a lot.

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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:30 pm
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Yea, but for what, 8 years? Wasn't GH discontinued in 2010 or 11?

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In 1978 I saw Blondie open for REO. By that time I was so heavily into punk that I didn't care about the dinosaur acts. I knew REO's music early on as well but was never that into them.

Most of the people at Winterland in SF were there to see Blondie and then they came back on stage after their set to thunderous applause and informed the audience that the headliner wouldn't allow them to do an encore and thanked the audience for coming to see them.

3/4 of the Winterland audience walked out. My friends and brother also wanted to walk out but I wanted to at least see a few songs.

To me they were your basic corporate rock and we walked out after 3 songs. Now there's some corporate rock I loved - Boston but REO didn't do it for me. At least I can say I saw REO!

I will say I saw some amazing acts at Winterland in December of 1978. They were closing the venue and Bill Graham used all of his influence to bring in the top acts.

I saw Bruce Springteen touring behind Darkness On The Edge Of Town, Patti Smith touring behind her best album Easter, Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers. Greg Kihn opened for Patti Smith. The Tubes with The Ramones and SVT. I loved the Tubes, so much fun and people booed the Ramones who were so great!

The Blondie/REO show was also in Dec of 78.

Great month of shows. Missed out on the ticket lottery for closing of Winterland with The Grateful Dead and The Blues Brothers.


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Post subject: Re: Why do people think rock is dead?
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:51 pm
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Yea, but for what, 8 years? Wasn't GH discontinued in 2010 or 11?

What happened to guitar hero was that the fad of playing a plastic guitar with 5 buttons got old. The next obvious step was to incorporate real instruments to the mix. Rock band was first by introducing electric drums, and then eventually a real keyboard and guitar. Rocksmith took it to the next level by making a game where you can plug in any real electric guitar, and actually learn to play the thing. But even Rocksmith has had slow but steady feedback. It's been well over a year since it came out and it's still updated with new songs and techniques quite often. It has a small, but dedicated following.

http://www.youtube.com/user/1983electric

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74 and 75 was when I saw REO, they were a very different animal then .....

But here's a Then and Recently of someone else ....

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