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Post subject: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:50 pm
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OK... browsing through one of my Fav. Guitar stores today, trying to stay warm.

I'm looking at Gibson Hollow-bodies (semi actually) - ES 335s. I think a complete set is a Tele, a Strat and a Hollow Body, so always planned on getting one. The salesman stops over and tells me that they just got a beautiful Ebony Heritage H-535 in on consignment, that it hasn't been set-up and so not yet on the floor.

Says the guy is motivated to sell to pay for kids tuition and only wants $ X for it (a couple hundred below market price - I follow sales of used Heritages).

The salesman gives me the guitar to play saying that they'll also throw in a full set-up and new strings on the deal. Instantly bitten by the dreaded GAS Beetle, I ask if the guy might consider $ X -$200, that if he would, I'd take it. He goes to call the owner and pass along my offer... 5 min. later, he returns saying the owner agreed !!

The Guitar plays awesome with it's twin Seymour-Duncan 'Seth Lover' '59 humbuckers, Tone Pros stop tailpiece and TOM style bridge w/ Grover Rotomatic tuners... condition = immaculate. Fantastic in it's Ebony color scheme ! Even includes the case candy and original OHSC !

I have to wait until next weekend to pick it up because of the set-up time needed and my trip to San Juan.

It's going to be a very long week !!

In the meantime, here are some pics:

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:17 pm
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The Heritage instruments are very sweet guitars and their build quality consistently "out-Gibsons" Gibson at every turn.

:lol:

Outstanding score, nugget!

8)

RAWK ON!

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:29 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
The Heritage instruments are very sweet guitars and their build quality consistently "out-Gibsons" Gibson at every turn. Arjay



+1K...The Heritage instruments are very fine and they litterally do build them like Gibson used to.

Congrats on the score there LM...enjoy the week in PR and the warmth on the bones!

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:13 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
The Heritage instruments are very sweet guitars and their build quality consistently "out-Gibsons" Gibson at every turn.

:lol:

Outstanding score, nugget!

8)

RAWK ON!

Arjay


Thanks Arjay & T2S !!

I hadn't really heard of The Heritage until I spoke with Little Ed (and the Imperials) during the break at his show we saw a couple months back. I actually thought he was playing an ES 335 - his 'usual' guitar.

Ed corrected me, saying that he had just bought his H-535 and told me the whole story about Gibson moving the company from Kalamazoo to Nashville and all the ex-Gibson employees starting their own company... even in the old Gibson Factory.

Showed me his and told me it was waay better than any of the ES 335s he's owned throughout the years, said they're all handmade and use solid woods while gibson is now using laminates (sides & backs). So I started researching them, lurking the Heritage Forum, etc.

It struck me how few of these H-535s come up for sale. The Heritage Forum guys said that people just don't sell these... they keep 'em.

Did some serial # research on this one and it turns out that it is a custom ltd. run... wasn't generally offered in this color, Transparent Cherry Red and Sunburst being the most dominant colors.

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'11 FSR Am. Vtg. Ltd. Ed. CAR '57 Stratocaster (SN# LE02639)
'14 American Deluxe Ash Stratocaster
'12 Telebration Empress Telecaster
'99 Deluxe Nashville Telecaster
'12 FSR Telecaster HH
'10 Heritage H-535
'99 Martin DC-1E
'13 Lanikai Tenor Ukulele


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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:17 pm
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Outstanding! Looks killer, enjoy.


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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:21 pm
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Great! You don't see any of Gibson's quality issues in Heritage. That's why I love them.

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
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Amerigo wrote:
Great! You don't see any of Gibson's quality issues in Heritage. That's why I love them.


And not a sliver of "baked maple" to be found anywhere!

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
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I've been lusting after a Gretsch lately.
What's baked maple?

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I've been lusting after a Gretsch lately.
What's baked maple?


Baked Maple: http://www.andertons.co.uk/blog/guitars ... oard-guide

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'10 Heritage H-535
'99 Martin DC-1E
'13 Lanikai Tenor Ukulele


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Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for the link, Lightnin. That article seems to portray baked maple as a great idea.

Given your comment, Arjay, I take it there are folks who are not in favour of it and that you may be one of them? If so, I'd be interested to know the issue might be.

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BMW-KTM wrote:
Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for the link, Lightnin. That article seems to portray baked maple as a great idea.

Given your comment, Arjay, I take it there are folks who are not in favour of it and that you may be one of them? If so, I'd be interested to know the issue might be.


A couple of months ago I was almost settled on buying a '50s Tribute LP Studio (humbuckers). I liked everything about the guitar except the baked maple fretboard. For me there were two issues:

1. It didn't look right. I like the non-uniformity of the colours of a rosewood fretboard....how they blend together. The baked maple looked like someone had stained a maple fretboard brown. I know that's not how they do it, but to me that's how it looked.

2. It didn't feel right. I'm not opposed to maple fretboards, but what I like about rosewood is the texture of the wood....a little bit porous. The baked maple did not have that feel.

Gibson can talk up the advantages of the baked maple all they like, but in reality, baked maple is just a response to the lack of cost-effective access to rosewood.


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Amerigo wrote:
Great! You don't see any of Gibson's quality issues in Heritage. That's why I love them.

Cheers

David


Agreed !

Could also be the reason that there's a backorder time of 7 mos. for a Heritage if you order one from the Factory !

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'99 Deluxe Nashville Telecaster
'12 FSR Telecaster HH
'10 Heritage H-535
'99 Martin DC-1E
'13 Lanikai Tenor Ukulele


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:55 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for the link, Lightnin. That article seems to portray baked maple as a great idea.

Given your comment, Arjay, I take it there are folks who are not in favour of it and that you may be one of them? If so, I'd be interested to know the issue might be.


A couple of months ago I was almost settled on buying a '50s Tribute LP Studio (humbuckers). I liked everything about the guitar except the baked maple fretboard. For me there were two issues:

1. It didn't look right. I like the non-uniformity of the colours of a rosewood fretboard....how they blend together. The baked maple looked like someone had stained a maple fretboard brown. I know that's not how they do it, but to me that's how it looked.

2. It didn't feel right. I'm not opposed to maple fretboards, but what I like about rosewood is the texture of the wood....a little bit porous. The baked maple did not have that feel.

Gibson can talk up the advantages of the baked maple all they like, but in reality, baked maple is just a response to the lack of cost-effective access to rosewood.


My observations precisely.

I do admire their ingenuity in attempting to overcome an otherwise sad bureaucratic situation but I am a Luddite, a purist. And to me, tampering with an iconic legend represents blasphemy of the worst sort.

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Post subject: Re: Sometimes, Bad Impulse Control can be a good thing...
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Retroverbial wrote:
My observations precisely.

I do admire their ingenuity in attempting to overcome an otherwise sad bureaucratic situation but I am a Luddite, a purist. And to me, tampering with an iconic legend represents blasphemy of the worst sort.

Arjay


I get that. And I don't disagree with it. I do think it's an interesting technology and that there must be a suitable application for it. I also think that for the exhorbitant price one has to pay for a Gibson that they can just as well suck-it-up-buttercup and try not to cheap out. Spring for the more expensive Rosewood.

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Just an example.

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