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Post subject: Re: looking for a new amp
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:41 pm
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Might be interesting to bounce this off the Amp Forum and see what the feedback is. :idea: Might get the suits at FMIC to start rethinking their product line.

I dunno. They're selling a ton of that stuff we call crap. Even folks here on the forum are gobbling some of it up in bucketfuls.

What I'd really like to see is if they took their existing re-issue line up and made real re-issues. I'd pay more for a real Fender (read non-PCB) DR or VR that was true to the old BF circuits like the clones are. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe they could sell both PCB and non-PCB versions. Keep selling the PCB versions to the customers they already have and also take a bite out of the clone biz and get some of that old school customer base back. They tried it with the smaller tweeds but they didn't try hard enough before bastardizing them with mods. I think the only issue holding them back was the clones were 18% - 20% cheaper. Where I live the '57 Deluxe retailed for about $2,050 - $2,100 but a Victoria 20112 (which some people have argued is a better amp than the Fender in terms of build quality) is typically priced around $1,700 - $1,750.



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I don't understand Fenders pricing either. With the Treed reissues it seemed like small, Champ, $1,000' medium 5e3 $2,000 and large Tweed Twin three grand. There's no rhyme or reason to it. I got a chance to play a Victoria and it was glorious and it seems more Fender like than Fender's reissues. Not a buzz or rattle and it's guaranteed for life!

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Post subject: Re: looking for a new amp
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:49 pm
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63supro wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
Might be interesting to bounce this off the Amp Forum and see what the feedback is. :idea: Might get the suits at FMIC to start rethinking their product line.

I dunno. They're selling a ton of that stuff we call crap. Even folks here on the forum are gobbling some of it up in bucketfuls.

What I'd really like to see is if they took their existing re-issue line up and made real re-issues. I'd pay more for a real Fender (read non-PCB) DR or VR that was true to the old BF circuits like the clones are. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe they could sell both PCB and non-PCB versions. Keep selling the PCB versions to the customers they already have and also take a bite out of the clone biz and get some of that old school customer base back. They tried it with the smaller tweeds but they didn't try hard enough before bastardizing them with mods. I think the only issue holding them back was the clones were 18% - 20% cheaper. Where I live the '57 Deluxe retailed for about $2,050 - $2,100 but a Victoria 20112 (which some people have argued is a better amp than the Fender in terms of build quality) is typically priced around $1,700 - $1,750.



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I don't understand Fenders pricing either. With the Treed reissues it seemed like small, Champ, $1,000' medium 5e3 $2,000 and large Tweed Twin three grand. There's no rhyme or reason to it. I got a chance to play a Victoria and it was glorious and it seems more Fender like than Fender's reissues. Not a buzz or rattle and it's guaranteed for life!


I have my eye on the Victoria regal. It works with any combination of tubes and as a class A amp. The owner also invested his own money and had runs of original caps and resistors to use in his amps. He loves amps and what we do. Feedback loops require that action be taken when a message needs to be sent. Reward the guy(s) doing it right, not the ones trying to milk a legacy.

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Post subject: Re: looking for a new amp
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:38 am
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modwiz wrote:
I have my eye on the Victoria regal. It works with any combination of tubes and as a class A amp. The owner also invested his own money and had runs of original caps and resistors to use in his amps. He loves amps and what we do. Feedback loops require that action be taken when a message needs to be sent. Reward the guy(s) doing it right, not the ones trying to milk a legacy.


I hope Brad's reading this stuff and passing it on.

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Post subject: Re: looking for a new amp
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:39 am
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I'm done buying amps. I build my own now or mod what I already have:

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Post subject: Re: looking for a new amp
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:12 am
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I'm done buying amps. I build my own now or mod what I already have:


That's a valuable postscript to the observation that someone is doing it better.

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