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Post subject: ANDY! or anyone else want to help...?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:36 pm
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need some words of wisdom from the big hair himself or anyone else that can help...
I'm seriously considering ordering a warmoth pickguard with the middle pickup space left blank and the bridge space reverse angled. I intend to put a red lace sensor in the bridge and a hotrails or something similar in the neck... my thought being that all the wonderful things i read about the red lace sensor combined with the reverse angle will give me some really delicious warm tones, and the hotrails or whatever i use will be for more distorted things....obviously. so, would it be possible to wire the two pickups together with a three way selector so that the switch is neck-both-bridge? and do you have any idea how they might sound together if it is? and is the reverse angle a good idea? I really want all the warmth I can get out of this pickup. that's the goal. warm creamy sweetness. :)

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:11 pm
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I would consider a Lace Dually for even more options. Cool thing about Lace sensors is you can stack them up side by side without affecting the tone. Or just use one side being the same as just one. But to answer what I can of your question, yes you can wire them up with other pickups like Hotrails with switches and all kinds of options. I have herd good things about the HOT Golds. I don't know what it would sound like though. I imagine it would sound good.

Oh, and I have used the reverse angle at the bridge and only noticed a small if any difference.

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Post subject: Re: ANDY! or anyone else want to help...?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:02 am
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thanks, Matt. Can't do the dually without routing out the body. don't want to do that... I think I'll go ahead and start ordering stuff tonight when I get home.... we'll see how it turns out.... I'm also going to add a hipshot baby grand bridge. shweet.

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:43 am
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lameandcliche wrote:
so, would it be possible to wire the two pickups together with a three way selector so that the switch is neck-both-bridge?

Hi L&C: in short, yes. That's just a straightforward Tele style wiring harness you're describing, so look at Tele wiring schematics for how to do it.


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- and do you have any idea how they might sound together?

It'll sound like two high output pickups connected in parallel, if you do it the Tele way. Connecting in series, like a Les Paul, would be another variation. When Andy comes along he'll likely have all kinds of interesting wiring options for you. But till then, this page has some amusing ideas, including the possibility of using a four-way switch so you can have series and parallel connections to cover all your both-pickups-on bases:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/I ... Guide.aspx


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- and is the reverse angle a good idea? I really want all the warmth I can get out of this pickup. that's the goal. warm creamy sweetness. :)

In theory angling the bridge pickup the other way should win you a tiny bit more output on the high strings. In reality, I doubt you'll notice, especially through all the power of a Red Sensor. That is one beefy pickup! From memory, I think it's about 15k, which is very aggressive for a single-coil. I have the Red-Blue-Sliver set of Sensors on a Strat and I do love that Red - but I only go to it for full-on drivey mahem at the climax of a solo: it's far too brutal for much else.

BTW, another option for you. Traditionally the Red-Blue-Silver set was set up with the Silver Sensor in the middle - that's how they used to be issued on Strats back in the day. However, I like to put my Blue in the middle so that the output increases incrementally as you travel from neck to bridge on a five-way selector switch. That way I can use the Silver at the neck for warm, toneful rhythm duties (you said warm sounds were your goal) and then go to the solo'd Blue in the middle for lead passages. The Red, as mentioned, is saved just for those flat out foot-to-the-floor moments.

So three Lace Sensors may be something else for you to consider on your guitar. Mind you, whether you go for two or three my own experience is they are less interesting when run together for in-between Strat sounds. To my ears you sure as heck can't get classic Dire Straits sounds from bridge-&-middle like you can with traditional single-coils, so that's off the menu on a Sensor equiped guitar.

It's horses for courses with pickups, and there's some things Sensors do fabulously and some they don't. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Any help?

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:13 pm
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thanks a ton, Ceri! lots of help! Maybe I'll do some more research on the silver... sounds like it'd be the better option for some warmth, yeah? I'm clueless. I've always liked the idea of lace but never played with them... I am ordering the pickguard now. I'm convinced I only want the two pickups... I never use the middle anyway. leaving the space there would just mean I'd be obligated to find a third pickup to put there. meh.
thanks again, i'm gonna go read up on that link now!

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:42 pm
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Before I said, I noticed little to no difference with the reverse angle bridge. That's not entirely accurate. Upon further thought, there was a small difference. To say there was none is not accurate. Now, I have herd that some Lace Pickups compress just a bit (that would be good for the bridge) but would minimize the affect (or effect?)of the reverse angle. Its has been so long for me with lace pickups I can't remember. I had them on a Strat Plus in the late 80's. I far as I remember I liked them. I'm with you on the 2 pickup scheme. With today's options of stacked singles and everything else you can get what you're after. Unless total vintage is your goal. I would look for a very dynamic pickup for the neck though. Something that really reacts to your attack (no compression).

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lameandcliche wrote:
thanks a ton, Ceri! lots of help! Maybe I'll do some more research on the silver... sounds like it'd be the better option for some warmth, yeah? I'm clueless. I've always liked the idea of lace but never played with them... I am ordering the pickguard now. I'm convinced I only want the two pickups... I never use the middle anyway. leaving the space there would just mean I'd be obligated to find a third pickup to put there. meh.
thanks again, i'm gonna go read up on that link now!


Did you get the red Lace Sensor and if so, what do you think? I was thinking of trying one. I wonder how they compare to DiMarzio Super Distortions.

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Fender used to make a Tele with that switching arrangement. A standard Tele switch for the bridge/neck relationship and a second micro switch to split the red dually, Tele-style. It was MIA and was called the Telcaster Plus Deluxe. I had one for a time. It was clearly intended to be righteous rocking Tele. Came with a trem, ebony board, locking tuners and a roller nut. The idea turned out to be grander than the implementation and they never really caught on. They are still a great conversation starter, though.

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