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Post subject: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:20 pm
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Hey all,

I was wondering if there is a specific order to your chain of pedals. I don't use many but the ones I use are TS-808 Tube Screamer, Fuzz face, and boss delay.Will the order into the amp make a difference?

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 pm
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Hi bigdave78. People have different ways of chaining up FX pedals, but I would say that the "general consensus" is to place high gain pedals in the beginning of the chain and chorus / delay on the end. In your case you can try Tube Screamer + Fuzz + Delay.

If your amp has a FX loop you can try putting the delay there.

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:54 pm
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My pedal order (on my Big Board O' Sonic Delight):

All pedals mounted on/powered by Furman SPB8 Pedalboard

• Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner
• Ibanez TS-9 (re-issue) Tube Screamer (overdrive)
• Boss RT-20 Rotary Ensemble (rotary speaker simulator)
• Dunlop MWA Crybaby Wah (modified GCB95)
• MXR M-101 Phase 90 (phase shifter) (late 70s block logo, no LED)
• Dunlop JH-2S Jimi Hendrix System Classic Fuzz (now discontinued)
• MXR M-67 Classic Overdrive (limited run Guitar Center exclusive)(modified)
• MXR M-133 Micro Amp (gain/volume boost)
• Rocktron HUSH Noise Reduction pedal (the old-style big blue one)
•      Lone Wolf Blues Company Harp Break (low gain harmonica overdrive pedal)
• MXR M-169 Carbon Copy Analog Delay

My reasoning for the order:

• Boss TU-2 Tuner; this doesn't need to have any interference, just signal from guitar. It also acts as a kill switch for guitar changes.

• Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Overdrive; Here's where I depart from conventional wisdom. The BOSS website says that your wah should have a clean signal in order to get all the nuances it creates properly pushed through, but an overdriven wah sounds cool enough to justify putting this first. It's a harder, heavier sound. It's also cool to overdrive a modulation pedal like the rotary, phase shifter and/or wah, as well as the other pedals in the signal chain.

All my modulation/wah pedals:
• RT20 Leslie simulator
• Dunlop MWA Wah
• MXR Phase 90

Then Fuzz/Overdrive/Boost: 
That way I can fuzz up or overdrive the modulated signal (if one is present at the time). When I had a distortion pedal in my rig, it went here, too (I realized I didn't use it much, so it's on the sidelines right now). 
•Just like it's cool to be able to overdrive my wah/Leslie simulator/phase shifter (overdrive before modulation) or to put a clean modulation effect signal into a fuzz or overdrive (modulation into fuzz/overdrive), an overdriven fuzz pedal (overdrive before fuzz) sounds different than a fuzzy overdrive pedal (fuzz before overdrive). That's why the JH2-S (which is after the TS-9 in the signal chain) goes into the MXR Classic Overdrive. Neither sound is necessarily "better", I just like the flexibility of having either option.
•The MXR M-67 Classic Overdrive is two (two! two!) pedals in one. When it is used "stock", it is the exact same pedal as the MXR GT-OD effect. Unknown to most owners (including myself at the time of purchase), there is an internal "personality" switch that allows the user to turn the pedal into the MXR Zakk Wylde Signature Overdrive. To remedy the challenge of diassembling the pedal each time I wanted to switch the personality of the effect, I modified the pedal by installing an external toggle switch, and ended up with the sounds of $300 worth of pedals in a single $35 stompbox.
•The boost pedal is to perk up what might have been lost through my signal chain, as well as boost for solos and to compensate for the differing pickup strengths of my different axes. The MXR M-133 Micro Amp also seems to "perk up" the overall sound of the signal (even with no other pedals engaged).
JH-2S Fuzz
MXR M-66 Classic Overdrive
MXR M-133 Micro Amp

I put the noise reduction next, and the positioning of this pedal is important for several reasons; for one thing, I have to tame 60 Cycle Monster created by the combination of single coil-equipped guitars and multiple potentially noisy pedals such as a vintage Phase 90, two overdrives, a boost and a fuzz. 
•Secondly, the HUSH pedal is placed (counter-intuitively) before the harp/harmonica overdrive pedal to prevent noise and feedback from the harp microphone. The potential for feedback, hiss and noise from the mic is much greater/more detrimental than any noise added by the harp overdrive pedal. 

Next: 
The Lone Wolf Blues Company (aka LWBC) Harp Break is a low gain harmonica overdrive pedal. It makes it possible for me to get the outrageously nasty and overdriven harp sounds that come from a small tube amp, except with the adequate stage volume of a larger amplifier (such as my Fender '63 reissue Vibroverb). great pedal for dirtying and/or fattening up a harp sound.

Finally, the MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay; You have to put delay after noise reduction/noise gates because the gate will see the echos/trailing signal as noise and squash it.

I use the reverb and vibrato/tremolo/whatever-you-call-it on my Fender '63 reissue Vibroverb or Gibson G20 (solid state) amp.

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:11 pm
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Hi Big Dave,Bluer Monkey is right about pedal order.I use a lot of pedals at times especially when gigging and have always put delays last,anywhere else would cause a very muddled delay signal.Personally I don't use FX loops at all because no matter how good and advanced the amp and the loop is,it still is a tone robber and takes away a lot of the presence and punch of the signal.If you happen to add more pedals in the future you should follow this rule of thumb for the most effective and best sounding pedal order. Guitar-wah-overdrive/fuzz/distortion-tremolo-vibrato-chorus-phase shifter-flanger-delay/echo-amp.

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:14 pm
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Depends what you want to do.

I used to do a thing with a Cry baby and an analog delay that mandated the delay come first in the chain. I would do a rhythm part where I'd hit a chord and immediately mute it then I'd rock the wah pedal on the echo. The affect would be impossible if the wah came before the delay.

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:44 pm
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Fuzz face should always come first, otherwise you lose out on 90% of what's good about a fuzz face. Plus they can react weirdly when fed with a pedal with a buffer, such as the 808.

On the other hand, you might like the tone of a buffered fuzz - the only rule is try it and see what sounds good to you! :mrgreen:

I usually subscribe to the 'fuzz > wah > overdrive > modulation > delay' school of pedal chains, but it's always open to fiddling to suit individual pedals or particular gigs. Phasers in particular have to come before overdrives for me, I can't stand the sound of them if you put them in the 'logical' place.


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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:09 am
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Thank you so much for all the advice. I am playing through a blues jr. amp so its a single channel and has a great tone imo. I'm going to employ the advice you all have given me this weekend as i sit here jamming.

I am so glad to have found a place where I can get the feedback from people with far more experience then I and truly apprieciate all your help.

Thanks

Dave.

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Post subject: Re: Pedal Order
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:51 pm
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Here is another current thread on the same topic, started by moparguy
http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81848

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