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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:51 pm
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Guitslinger...posting your thoughts was appropriate.

I'm off to a Car show benefit for Sandy Hook this Sunday @ the Stratford Air and Space Museum in Stratford CT. All donations will got to either Sandy hook needs or an appropriate charity.
( It's on Facebook )
I have childhood friends from Newtown and used to live in the neighboring town Monroe which is where the Sandy Hook children will be attending School from now on.

I find it unfortunate that an intelligent discussion on this issue of military assault weapons cannot be discussed, debated in a civil manner amongst what are supposedly intelligent people.
This isn't going away, it is only becoming a more common tragedy..
There is more at stake in resolving this issue than just the removal from public consumption of military assault weapons, there is the mental health issue, the incarceration issue, the obscene profiteering of armament... The incapability of Congress to act like adults and step out of the sandbox..All of which necessitates a civil discussion, not personal attacks or knee-jerk extreme left or right posturing....

We might seriously want to someday look in the mirror and see the Joker. Many countries look at Americans as a bunch of spoiled infants in the sandbox throwing sand..
Pity that a culture with such lofty potential would prefer to wallow in soapbox irony...

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:43 pm
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I am locking this tread.

TREAD LOCKED.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:52 pm
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
I am locking this tread.

TREAD LOCKED.

Hey Matt!

Have you had an opportunity to read through this information yet? ...

What "government" in their right mind would allow a man back out into society who hammered to death his grandmother? The simplest explanation is; as JFK put it, radical factions within government want to seize the opportunity of terror to frighten people into willingly giving up their God given and unalienable rights to free speech, to bear arms, and to abolish a corrupt and destructive government!

Look at the list of false flag wars spanning back through history where bankers finance both sides of *every* war and false flag terror operations like Fast and Furious -- the evidence is overwhelming.

For those who haven't heard Kennedy's speech, here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM0QY1k9N_M

Here's 6 brainwashing techniques being used on us now:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6- ... t-now.html

Here's wiki's data on false flag operations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Further:

Summary of False Flag Operations and False Flag Terrorism

..."declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans."

Can you say 9/11 -- Operation Northwoods???

http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

What makes you so sure the mass killings we are seeing aren't more false flag terror operations??? ...mind control pharmaceuticals, gun free zones, psychopath killers released into society.

"A handful of inspired men gave us our freedom. They cannot preserve it for us. That responsibility rests with the individual American. And we must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not readily recognize the means used to advance them. The communist, meanwhile, does not allow himself the luxury of inertia. He is intensely active. Because of him, the menace of communism in this country will remain a menace until the American people make themselves aware of the techniques of communism. No one who truly understands what it really is can he taken in by it. Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.

The straightforward American cannot conceive of another citizen enlisting in the espionage service of a foreign country, or deliberately propagating discontent, hatred and disunity at the orders of an alien group. He cannot believe that any American would serve a philosophy which moves inexorably toward the goal of reducing the status of the individual to that of slave." J. Edgar Hoover

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All that information may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

I'm curious to know what *you* think about all that info.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:04 pm
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I was just kidding with the "THREAD LOCKED".

To me it's a mental health issue and not a 2nd amendment issue. I am a constitutionalist who believes our forefathers, inspired by God, laid a solid foundation for us.

I also know that it's much cheaper to take away our liberty, than to do the responsible thing. That is what scares me. It's sad to think that one day people may live in America never even knowing the liberty that we enjoy today. And if it were up to me we would have even more than we do now.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:38 pm
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
I was just kidding with the "THREAD LOCKED".

To me it's a mental health issue and not a 2nd amendment issue. I am a constitutionalist who believes our forefathers, inspired by God, laid a solid foundation for us.

I also know that it's much cheaper to take away our liberty, than to do the responsible thing. That is what scares me. It's sad to think that one day people may live in America never even knowing the liberty that we enjoy today. And if it were up to me we would have even more than we do now.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:11 pm
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Deluxe Matt wrote:
I was just kidding with the "THREAD LOCKED".

To me it's a mental health issue and not a 2nd amendment issue. I am a constitutionalist who believes our forefathers, inspired by God, laid a solid foundation for us.

I also know that it's much cheaper to take away our liberty, than to do the responsible thing. That is what scares me. It's sad to think that one day people may live in America never even knowing the liberty that we enjoy today. And if it were up to me we would have even more than we do now.

Actually, in their minds, it's more profitable to take away our liberties through; political fraud, excessive and usually unlawful taxes and fees, continued corporate fiat bank fraud (fascism), a destructive police state (neo-nazism), oppressive laws (they are trying to stop us from growing our own food and medicine, and it's nearly impossible to start a new business), and a deadly but profitable "healthcare" system -- the communist platform!

Did you know "that you are 6,200% more likely to be killed by your doctor than a homicidal shooter"?

Check out this shocking set o' statistics:

Why doctors are more dangerous than guns - Health Ranger investigation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhj3u3LoooM

Based on those statistics, those in charge of the healthcare system should be tried for crimes against humanity!

HEY Minnesotastrats, what's shakin'? Right on to you too!

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:52 pm
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This thread makes me wanna buy a gun already. But they're just so expensive! I usually go to the range and fire my friend's guns, he's quite the enthusiast and loves to mod them and take me out to test them out. But it's time I buy my own, I want one of those scary looking assault rifles and a handgun or two. This is me trying his 1911 with some hot loads (forgot the grain).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K8yusmk ... g&index=11

We started to laugh because the girl next to us let out a slight scream after that thing went off.

There's two sides to every coin:

Book of Revelation, 13:10: "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Rev.13:10 KJV)

Commonly, the expression is understood to mean, "You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword

Any tool used for self-defense is no laughing matter. You should take your right to bear arms seriously.

Find a mentor who will teach you how to defend yourself, your family, and your community from a space of love and respect. Otherwise...you *will* get 13:10'd!

If you come across somebody who comes from a space of hate, greed, isolationism, racism, religious zealotry, and war mongering, run!

Find somebody who is spiritual, balanced, kind, and loving to teach you about your rights and the art of self-defense or you will be laughing yourself straight into your own destruction!


I think you quoted the wrong guy. :D

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:59 pm
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Legislation will be passed to stem the proliferation of weapons in our country. It's unfortunate that it takes so many tragedies to galvanize people to take action, but it has had that effect. Finally.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/opini ... an.html?hp

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:12 pm
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Legislation will be passed to stem the proliferation of weapons in our country. It's unfortunate that it takes so many tragedies to galvanize people to take action, but it has had that effect. Finally.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/opini ... an.html?hp

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:42 pm
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artisan4 wrote:
Legislation will be passed to stem the proliferation of weapons in our country. It's unfortunate that it takes so many tragedies to galvanize people to take action, but it has had that effect. Finally.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/opini ... an.html?hp

Petition: Try Dianne Feinstein For Treason

California Senator’s gun grabbing legislation causes outrage
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
December 28, 2012

The full text of the petition reads;
The Constitution was written to restrain the government. No amendment is more important for this purpose than the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment was written so the power could be kept with the citizenry in the face of a tyrannical government. It was well understood the Constitution acknowledged certain rights that could not be limited by government.

Senator Dianne Feinstein has made it clear she does not believe in the Constitution or the inalienable rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. She is actively working to destroy the 2nd amendment with her 2013 assault weapons ban. For this reason we the people of the united States petition for her to be tried in Federal Court for treason to the Constitution.


Here's a link to the article and the link to the petition is on that page:

http://www.infowars.com/petition-try-dianne-feinstein-for-treason/

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California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall
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Published: Thursday, Dec. 27, 2012 - 7:11 pm
Last Modified: Friday, Dec. 28, 2012 - 9:13 am

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:39 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
I posted this thread purely to call on people to send prayers and good will to the people affected by a tragedy at the holiest time of year as they will never be able to look forward to another Christmas and nothing more than that. It was others who took it upon themselves to turn it into an ugly verbal slugfest.I will no longer post anything on this topic as the original spirit in which it was written has been sullied and defiled by people who took it as an opportunity to voice opinions on gun control etc. which was far far from my intention.

I'm with ya, bro.

It's unfortunate that some opportunists will take any opening they can find to step up on the soap box and diminish the poignancy of a heartfelt topic in the process, all the while totally oblivious.

I can't believe Brad has let this go on for this long. I'm seriously considering adding a name or two to my "click" list.

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:46 pm
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opini ... -work.html

'Experts from the Harvard School of Public Health, using data from 26 developed countries, have shown that wherever there are more firearms, there are more homicides. In the case of the United States, exponentially more: the American murder rate is roughly 15 times that of other wealthy countries, which have much tougher laws controlling private ownership of guns.

There’s another important difference between this country and the rest of the world. Other nations have suffered similar rampages, but they have reacted quickly to impose new and stricter gun laws.'

I'm glad Ms. Feinstein and others are taking action to prevent this from happening again.

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:17 pm
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artisan4 wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/the-gun-challenge-strict-laws-work.html

'Experts from the Harvard School of Public Health, using data from 26 developed countries, have shown that wherever there are more firearms, there are more homicides. In the case of the United States, exponentially more: the American murder rate is roughly 15 times that of other wealthy countries, which have much tougher laws controlling private ownership of guns.

There’s another important difference between this country and the rest of the world. Other nations have suffered similar rampages, but they have reacted quickly to impose new and stricter gun laws.'

I'm glad Ms. Feinstein and others are taking action to prevent this from happening again.



Don't be so quick to be glad, gun laws won't fix crazy.

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:28 pm
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artisan4 wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/the-gun-challenge-strict-laws-work.html

'Experts from the Harvard School of Public Health, using data from 26 developed countries, have shown that wherever there are more firearms, there are more homicides. In the case of the United States, exponentially more: the American murder rate is roughly 15 times that of other wealthy countries, which have much tougher laws controlling private ownership of guns.

There’s another important difference between this country and the rest of the world. Other nations have suffered similar rampages, but they have reacted quickly to impose new and stricter gun laws.'

I'm glad Ms. Feinstein and others are taking action to prevent this from happening again.

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