I'm not dim enough to interpret the term "kill" literally and I do know that it is meant to be interpreted as murder but the main point that I was making that the 2nd Amendment is Not A God Given Right as many truly believe-but drawn up and created by men.

I am not in the least bit familiar with guns and where Newfoundland and Labrador have one of the lowest incidents of gun violence in the Western World we always leave our doors unlocked and often leave the house for extended periods of time with the doors left unlocked and things of value like the lawn tractor and lawn mower etc. left in plain view.Sadly I guess there are many places in the world that can't afford to take these liberties and people have to rely on being armed as a personal safety issue.

Ironically enough we have one of the largest per capita possession of firearms in the Western World too,but handguns and automatic weapons are highly restricted and the few that are deemed legal to people with special permits are only permitted to be used in
government sanctioned firing ranges or gun clubs.

BTW: The King James version of the Bible that was used in churches until a decade or so ago definitely states "Thou Shalt Not Kill" it is only recently with the newer "abridged and modernized editions" is the word murder used.

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That sounds wonderful. It's too bad, though, that "loss of driving privileges" doesn't stop drunks from driving. I see in the paper every day arrest reports for 2nd, 3rd, 4th offense drunk driving with additional charges of driving while suspended, driving without insurance, driving while revoked...

Taking aware the right to drive doesn't stop "criminals" from driving. Perhaps we'd do better if we simply amputated the right foot...

In the end, it's the same as telling a bad guy that he can't have a gun. Pointless.

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Damn constitution, I like that idea!

My suggestion was for a first offense. Here's the rest of the change. An unlicensed DUI after that second offense gets 5 years behind bars. A DUI-caused vehicular homicide gets life w/o parole.

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All rights are God given. If all men are created equal, who else then has the authority? The 2nd amendment is about much more than simply guns. Are you an American?

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All rights are God given. If all men are created equal, who else then has the authority? The 2nd amendment is about much more than simply guns. Are you an American?[/quote]
Hmmm, are you? 'cause you don't seem to understand where your rights under the constitution come from. God did not write the constitution, men did. God wrote the ten commandments not the bill of rights.

All rights are God given. If all men are created equal, who else then has the authority? The 2nd amendment is about much more than simply guns. Are you an American?[/quote]
Hmmm, are you? 'cause you don't seem to understand where your rights under the constitution come from. God did not write the constitution, men did. God wrote the ten commandments not the bill of rights.[/quote]

Yes I am an American. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" It seems that it is you who do not know where your rights come from. It is the governments job to help protect these God given rights.

Edit: That quote being from the Declaration of Independence. An example of our forefathers establishing early on that they believed Rights are endowed by a Creator.

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Those unalienable rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God did not give you the right to bear arms or the right to freedom of speech or unreasonable searches ect. I know you do not or don't want to understand this so I won't bother to try.

If you continue to read you will find that it is also whatever means that are necessary to maintain and protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Such as defined later on in the Bill of Rights.

Why are you so moody about this with me. I am interested in your point of view. You act as if I have offended you. If I did I apologize. I just thought we were engaging in ideas. I do understand that frustration that people can be so stubborn. But, you and I aren't making any life changing decisions here.

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Media sensationalism exposed. No "assault" weapons found at Sandy Hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0sjtuXcvOE

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Matt you have not offended me. I am just passionate on this subject. If these things came from God everyone the world over would enjoy them, obviously they do not.

Just a while ago, on the evening news,they showed a 3rd time DUI offender that they'd caught 9 P:M Christmas Day.Driving the wrong way on a divided highway and colliding with another vehicle.Only for the quick thinking of the other driver-who was able to almost steer completely clear-the outcome could've been tragic.He was picked up in July of this year driving under suspension and under the influence so obviously the driving ban meant nothing to him.

If alcohol has such a hold on people that they can't be trusted to adhere to a court ordered driving suspension and continue to drive drunk,they should be put in prison or a substance abuse treatment facility for the public safety.People who are put away for repeat DUIs shouldn't be allowed to leave these facilities until they successfully completed a treatment program and no longer pose an endangerment to society.

Our family has had 3 people who were very close to us slaughtered by drunk drivers. Two of these drivers were 3rd time offenders under suspension,and one of these 2 was awaiting trial at the time for already crippling a girl for life while drunk and under suspension at that time also.When he killed my very good friend and coworker,her husband got out of the car screeching "You killed my wife,you killed my wife!!" the arsehole responded by telling him to "F--- Off".That's how much someone's life was worth to him.
A couple of weeks after the collision the sister in law of my friend and coworker saw the idiot who killed her in a bar pissy-eyed drunk,laughing with his friends with his feet up on the table without a care in the world.When people such as this show such a callous disregard for human life,they shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day again.This sort of people are every bit as evil and a threat to society as a gun wielding homocidal maniac, because under a lot of circumstances they kill much more than one person from driving drunk.

I never refer to a collision or car crash an accident as they are usually caused by impairment of some kind,not paying attention,using a cell phone or texting,driving too fast for road conditions etc.An accident is random and not caused by people,unless a person has a seizure,stroke or heart attack etc. and swerves into another vehicle or people at a bus stop etc.,and even then it's not really the person's fault.A lot of "accidents" are caused by some component or components of the vehicle failing or some other mostly unavoidable incident of happenstance.

There are some incidents where "accidents" could be avoided by people just doing routine maintenance such as checking tire pressure,wear etc. of having a reputable mechanic inspect an older vehicle at least once a year.Largely the cause of "accidents" is due to something other than human input.

Minnesotastrats is right,God most certainly didn't give people the right to bear arms or any other rights.The rights are unalienable but God hardly came down to the highest peak in the Sierra Nevadas and presented George Washington or Ben Franklin or any other man with the US Constitution.A lot of the Constitution is an iterpretation of God's laws because the founding fathers were largely "God-Fearing" Christians and wrote the constitution abiding by the morals and Commandments laid out in The Bible,but they were still written by men,albeit devout Christian men but that's as close as you can come to God writing the Constitution.

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"One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all." There's no justice when only a few people have guns.

For example, you are home with your family and a criminal is holding you hostage with a homemade gun or other homemade lethal force device and there's nothing you can do while he rapes and beats your wife, the other criminals torturing your children as they watch the horrific tragedy. Do you think you'd have regretted not asserting your second amendment at that point? Gun fu always wins...

And the original interpretation of the word "murder" in the Bible's Ten Commandments was murder, not "kill." Killing somebody in self-defense is completely different.

"You shall not murder sometimes translated as You shall not kill, KJV Thou shalt not kill (LXX οὐ φονεύσεις, translating Hebrew לֹא תִּרְצָח lo tirṣaḥ), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder

Bankers and war mongers needed to fiddle with the Bible to trick people into thinking murder was acceptable during false flag wars.

Some of youz guyz aren't doing your homework.

Further, the Hebrew texts were plagiarisms of early texts stolen from different cultures that evolved into the talmud, look up talmud, you'll be shocked at what you find!

But still, in the context of the Bible (old testament/new testament), the original word is "murder."

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Good, I was hoping that's all it was. If we shut each other out due to different views, someone else will come along and decide for us.

guitslinger, you have had a hard run of things. I hope it gets better for you.

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There's a difference between a "right" and a "need" and lately there seems to be a confusion between the two.
I have the right to own a weapon, just like I have the right to own a few guitars... falls under the "persuit of happiness" clause in the Bill of Rights... although I don't "need" a firearm or a guitar to survive on this planet I have the right to own both if it makes me happy. As long as I use them in a lawul manner, everything's cool. I'd be in just as much trouble if I whacked a guy across the kneecaps with my Strat as I would be if I shot him in the shin with a 38.

"Better to have a weapon and not need it, than to need a weapon and not have one."

I do not own a firearm... why? Because I don't want one.
But if I want one, I'll exercise my "right" to own one, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with "need".

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