Before I respond to your concerns, is there anything you don't agree with in the following:

There's no time like the present to discuss current events.

Yeah, people have heard about the tragedy, but do they have all the facts? No. A lot of people are oblivious to the "monstrous" conspiracy brave individuals like Hoover, Kennedy, King, and Lennon warned us about.

What "government" in their right mind would allow a man back out into society who hammered to death his grandmother? The simplest explanation is; as JFK put it, radical factions within government want to seize the opportunity of terror to frighten people into willingly giving up their God given and unalienable rights to free speech, to bear arms, and to abolish a corrupt and destructive government!

Look at the list of false flag wars spanning back through history where bankers finance both sides of *every* war and false flag terror operations like Fast and Furious -- the evidence is overwhelming.

For those who haven't heard Kennedy's speech, here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM0QY1k9N_M

Here's 6 brainwashing techniques being used on us now:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6- ... t-now.html

Here's wiki's data on false flag operations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Further:

Summary of False Flag Operations and False Flag Terrorism

..."declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans."

Can you say 9/11 -- Operation Northwoods???

http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

What makes you so sure the mass killings we are seeing aren't more false flag terror operations??? ...mind control pharmaceuticals, gun free zones, psychopath killers released into society.

"A handful of inspired men gave us our freedom. They cannot preserve it for us. That responsibility rests with the individual American. And we must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not readily recognize the means used to advance them. The communist, meanwhile, does not allow himself the luxury of inertia. He is intensely active. Because of him, the menace of communism in this country will remain a menace until the American people make themselves aware of the techniques of communism. No one who truly understands what it really is can he taken in by it. Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.

The straightforward American cannot conceive of another citizen enlisting in the espionage service of a foreign country, or deliberately propagating discontent, hatred and disunity at the orders of an alien group. He cannot believe that any American would serve a philosophy which moves inexorably toward the goal of reducing the status of the individual to that of slave." J. Edgar Hoover

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover

Exactly how is an "assault rifle" (a term invented by the anti-gun crowd) is useless for hunting? There's a whole lot of people that successfully use AR15's and AK's for hunting game. An assault rifle ban will not make them go away, to think such thing is ridiculous.

Case in point, CT already has an assault weapons ban. When Columbine happened, one of the weapons was a TEC-DC9 an illegal assault weapon in the city of Denver. Banning something doesn't make it go away, or even harder to get. Sandy Hook was a "gun free zone". See how these things work out?

What we need is better screening, it is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to walk into a gun store, pay cash and walk out with a firearm. This is where the government needs to to look at. A "ban" is useless.

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Here's some good information about assault rifles from the The Health Ranger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Vh76TfqJ-k

Hopefully, that information will clear-up a lot of confusion about assault rifles.

And, our right to bear arms is meant to keep us free from domestic *and* foreign enemies. So, we need assault rifles at home too in the event of an attack upon our country and, or our freedoms! Do you think foreign enemies will bring pea shooters to the US? No, they'll bring radical assault rifles and the only defense we have under the second amendment is radical assault rifles.

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Had to laugh when I saw the remi 700 below the AR. I know that remi packs a hell of a punch and kicks very hard! Too bad that most people don't have a clue about whats a .308 or .225/5.56.

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You're writing to a Swiss guy, if you know what that means in respect of assault rifles. Totally useless if you want to protect your private home. But you're right, in a militia context, it makes sense. But you don't have this context in the USA, you have a professional army. They know how to handle guns, so let them do it exclusively.

Cheers

David

//PS: This thread should not be called "tragedy". A tragedy is something different. The word "tragedy" implies Force Majeure.

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

David, you obviously neither know nor understand the history and meaning of our US Constitution. We the people are the army. And, the right to bear arms is a God given and unalienable right meant to keep the balance of power between the people and our elected government plus provide individual and collective protection against foreign enemies.

So, I appreciate your point-of-view; however, if we give up our right to bear arms to "professional soldiers", professional soldiers, as they have done historically, will turn those guns against the people and try to keep the people like slaves as they do in China or commit acts of genocide as Hitler did in Germany! Oppression, slavery, and genocide were abolished long ago in our country via the US Constitution and our individual right to bear arms.

And, the word tragedy has several meanings in modern US speech. One meaning is "a tragic element of life." "Having the elements of tragedy; involving death, grief, or destruction..." An irresponsible government allowing a murderer to roam free in America is therefore a tragedy.

Don't you agree that a man who beat his helpless grandmother to death with a hammer should be kept in jail indefinitely to avoid any further tragedy?

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Not quite. This would only be true if you had a militia where *everybody* has to join the army at a certain age. What you have is a professional army, not a militia. General conscription stopped in 1973, and I think since the late 80ies you don't have to register anymore. What you say applies to countries like Israel or Switzerland, where in fact the people are the army.

I see your points that follow, but your basic assumption is not quite correct.

In order to achieve what you suggest, you have to turn back time and start with general conscription again. Then, we'd be on the same page, and I'd agree to what you say.

Cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

Folks, if you want to start a new topic to discuss the shooter and his guns, fine. But O.P. started this thread for the victims and their families, I guess in the hopes that some of them might see it here. Can we at least keep it civil for their sake, just in case one of them actually does read this forum?

I understand the need to express yourself, but there's an appropriate time and place and, IMO, this is not it. No hard feelings, I just thought some of us might be getting a little carried away.

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.223 useless for hunting? sorry you didn't have better luck. maybe you need to adjust your sights or try some better ammo.
our hay fields get destroyed by wild hogs. ALOT. we've seen packs in the 20's and 30's. they multiply like rabbits. they do alot of damage in a short period of time. although i prefer to shoot them with the 308 on the ar platform, the 223 does a fine job also. mighty fine job. they just tend to lay there and squeal more.
thanx but i'll hang on to mine.

Actually, I am correct. It says nothing in the US Constitution about conscription nor a professional army. The US Constitution simply, emphatically, and clearly states we have the right to bear arms *and* form a militia!

We the people are the last line of defense on our soil against foreign invaders and the first line of defense against an oppressive government!

Youz guyz are confusing law from other countries with US Law, and some of youz guyz simply don't comprehend the US Constitution!

Had those first responders been properly trained to defend themselves and were bearing arms to protect their life and liberty, this all would have never happened or the impact would have been lessened.

Remember folks, the US is all about serving the greater good via protecting the individual's rights, we're all important, as opposed to communism, which puts the rights of the state above the individual, the individual has no importance in communisim.

Here's the 2nd amendment:

As passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We the people, that's you and me!

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EVERY year, 7,600 people in the US die from taking Aspirin and other NSAIDS but we don't ban Aspirin... why.. ??

Well, there isn't a great awareness of this fact and there are also many more people who benefit from it than suffer ill effects.

According to a recent 'Liberal' study, there were more than 400,000 instances in 2009 where people reported avoiding becoming the victim of violent crime because they pulled a gun in self-defense.

The study went on to say that these statistics were pulled only from cases reported to the Authorities and that likely a similar number of cases went unreported - i.e. the shop owner who is armed and deters a criminal who simply runs out the door, leaving the incident unreported.

But, incidents of school shootings and such where a few people are killed by a Madman end up being over-sensationalized in the Media and among an anti-gun lobby so that the average guy is unaware of the good which actually outweighs the bad in the posession of personal firearms, at least to 800,000 of our citizens.

Like it or not, it IS benefitial to our Society to have the 2nd Ammendment.

cheers!

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I have to take issue with the people who say that the right to bear arms is God -Given.It is most definitely not God-Given-what is God-Given is the 10 Commandments and the commandment that says "Thou Shall Not Kill" God abhors violence and He most definitely did not give the right to bear arms,that was made by men and man is the only creature that kils indiscrimately and often just for the joy of watching another human die at their hands.

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"Thou shall not kill" is a misinterperation. It is actually "Thou shall not murder", otherwise we would eat only veggies.

The Bible says "Thou shalt not murder." Bearing arms for self-defense and using arms in self-defense is not murder.

Ten Commandments
#1 Thou shalt have no other god before me
#2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
#3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
#4 Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy.
#5 Honor thy father and mother.
#6 Thou shalt not commit murder.
#7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
#8 Thou shalt not steal.
#9 Thou shalt not bear false witness.
#10 Thou shalt not covet.

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