Don't get me started.

Here's a tragic documentary about governments that disarm populations and commit mass genocide:

Innocents Betrayed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls&feature=youtu.be

The documentary clearly corroborates the following facts:

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Come on. We want to know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

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Bill

Excellent.

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Please start.

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This whole thread has gone wildly off topic and has turned into a verbal mudfight. I started this thread as a call to prayer for families affected by an unthinkable terrible tragedy at what is supposed to be the happiest and Holiest time of year and others took it to be a great opportunity to expound their political views.What I intended to be an innocuous gesture of goodwill and empathy has been sullied by people who seem to think that it was a great chance for them to engage in a verbal conflict of opposing ideologies.

I'd like to know how many of those who took the time to research and compose their respective tirades took the time to pray for the grieving families.I think that this thread should be shut down because the original spirit and intention of it has been desecrated.

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You wrote:

"God Bless and comfort all those who are mourning during this most holy of seasons."

I pray for all people everyday. And, the only comfort I can offer is to expose the truths behind the shooting. All of the information I posted is meant to put an end to mass shootings. All the evidence I posted is conclusive; the only way to prevent crime is via a well armed citizenry.

The framers of our US Constitution were specific too:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Further:

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions officially establishing this interpretation. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ame ... nstitution

Had our right to bear arms not ever been infringed upon, I am certain these tragedies would have not occurred. Wherever there is gun control, crime soars, slavery follows, and then a holocaust.

"Prayer without action is like faith without deeds!"

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I did light a candle, closed my eyes and sat for 30 minutes.

It's just: you know, this "happened" so many times before, I really think we have to discuss the matter. Sometimes you can't just not talk about it. We owe it to the victims, something has to change.

You're right in what you say, of course. This thread should be closed.

Cheers

David

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I believe this thread should remain open until there are no more Christmas tragedies and no more Christmas like tragedies altogether. Why wait for another tragedy to occur to start yet another thread and then rehash the same information over, and over until the cold, hard facts finally sink in one way or another?

I know this type of tragedy intimately as I've been on the bad side a gun too many times. So, I can say from experience that the right to bear arms is critical to life and censoring this information will only contribute to more tragedies.

We musicians are around many people and have a great influence on many people. It's incumbent upon us to discern and get this information out whenever and wherever we are able. The information is vital to the survival of a free humanity.

And this is the prefect place for me (an aspiring musician who has researched the issues extensively) to discuss this information with his peers to further the information.

If you don't like what's being said, find a discussion that makes you happy. If you start a thread and the facts take it into a direction you didn't anticipate...well, be careful what you pray for -- you just might get it -- even if you disagree with or are shocked by or are in complete denial of the facts.

If you're not willing to hear the mind and heart and soul of another musician, what on Earth are you doing on this forum of free-thinking individuals?

To ask that a thread be locked simply because you disagree with facts being presented is narrow-minded and selfish.

Furthermore, trolling and gumming up the thread with insults and baseless info and copy-over rebuttals to bury the information is offensive -- as offensive as the facts that lead to the Christmas tragedy.

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Agreed, let the hijacker start their own thread. I apologize for any part I may have contributed to this.

RCB-CA-USA, this was my request on page 3:



I'm not saying the thread should be locked or reported or anything like that. I'm asking you all to take this discussion somewhere else out of respect, not because I disagree with any facts that have been presented. If you continue to carry on here, you really shouldn't be surprised if there is some forum backlash. Again, no hard feeling, but just as much as you have a right to be heard here, so does everyone else.

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I thoroughly disagree. This is absolutely the time and place and thread. Again, if you start a thread, be prepared for a healthy discussion. If you can't handle the discussion, ignore the thread -- even if it's your own thread. Censorship is part of the problem the OP raised and sought support for. ...be careful what you pray for. Our creator(s) works in mysterious ways!

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well you can lead a horse to water ....

Either way RCB-CA-USA, I respect your opinions and feel you make some great contributions to the forum.

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...but you can't make him stink!

Thank you for your kind compliments, likewise!

I was born and raised in NY, btw! yo yo!

Since we're on the topic of prayers in relation to the Christmas tragedy, this ought to be a shock to some, a stunning revelation for others:

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It's vital to discuss it. And it's great to say a prayer; but laws help people most. The violent, primitive, gun-ridden mentality of fear that has infected this country over the last 33 years has got to be treated with legal chemo. When I came back from Belgium I couldn't believe what had happened to the good old USA. Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands were rocketing ahead into the future and the US was going back to the 1890's.

Gun violence has been going on for years, again and again, as you say. Kids even die and even MORE primitives come out of the woodwork like zombies, clutching their guns and making threats like some fascist underground army. Reagan and Falwell and Robertson and ALEC really did a number on this country with their unholy alliance. A number two.

Thank God that this is not the dominant culture in the US, otherwise a moderate Republican like Obama could not be elected and re-elected. Assuming he doesn't cave to the zombies, maybe THIS TIME something will be done legislatively.

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