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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:02 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
.......though I do have ammunition for each (if I can just remember where I put it).

.......I am a responsible Adult.......

........(if I can just remember where I put the bullets)...

cheers!

:? ?????? :?


Clever... but...

Absolutely MORONIC reply.... Contrarian Wordsmithing, nothing more... !!

You seem to want to infer that there is something unsafe or irresponsible in my statement or ownership of guns...

So... totally for your edification, I just went and checked, and have now located both the Weapons and Ammo... I went to only two places, the two places I knew they'd be... The two places they had to be...

The Weapons are LOCKED in a cabinet, and the Ammo is LOCKED in another cabinet in another room... just as I thought they were...

No worries Mate... all's well here... !!

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:15 am
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Really didn't mean to offend you in anyway. Those statements just seemed to contradict.

When I was younger I hunted and owned a few guns. Now, like you, I only own two. A 12 guage automatic and a .22 pistol. Both were my Dad's and were handed down to me. Both are in a safe place and the ammo is stored at a different location in my home. I even know how much of each kind. Just the way I was taught, so it seemed a little strange to me that someone who owned guns wouldn't know where their ammo is stored? Glad to hear you located it and all is well.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:21 am
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grho50 wrote:
Really didn't mean to offend you in anyway. Those statements just seemed to contradict.

When I was younger I hunted and owned a few guns. Now, like you, I only own two. A 12 guage automatic and a .22 pistol. Both were my Dad's and were handed down to me. Both are in a safe place and the ammo is stored at a different location in my home. I even know how much of each kind. Just the way I was taught, so it seemed a little strange to me that someone who owned guns wouldn't know where their ammo is stored? Glad to hear you located it and all is well.

Peace brother.


Hey... NO Offense Taken...

If I had per chance taken Offense... I'd just shoot you, since I now know where the Ammo is... !!

LOL :D :D

MERRY CHRISTMAS to You & Yours !!

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:50 am
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If I had per chance taken Offense... I'd just shoot you, since I now know where the Ammo is... !!

LOL :D :D

MERRY CHRISTMAS to You & Yours !![/quote]
Not even remotely funny. I co worker of mine kept his ammo and guns lockedup seperately and his oldest daughter literally had her head blown off. His two surviving kids witnessed this and are pretty screwed up today 25 years later. The only responsible way to store firearms is a locked gun safe not a cabinet. This is how I store mine. The 1000lb safe cost less the just one of my guns. I do agree that this topic could have been saved for another time if at all . Hard to believe that if you have access to this forum via a computor that we all hadn't heard about this tragedy already.


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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:02 pm
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I do agree that this topic could have been saved for another time if at all . Hard to believe that if you have access to this forum via a computor that we all hadn't heard about this tragedy already.

There's no time like the present to discuss current events.

Yeah, people have heard about the tragedy, but do they have all the facts? No. A lot of people are oblivious to the "monstrous" conspiracy brave individuals like Hoover, Kennedy, King, and Lennon warned us about.

What "government" in their right mind would allow a man back out into society who hammered to death his grandmother? The simplest explanation is; as JFK put it, radical factions within government want to seize the opportunity of terror to frighten people into willingly giving up their God given and unalienable rights to free speech, to bear arms, and to abolish a corrupt and destructive government!

Look at the list of false flag wars spanning back through history where bankers finance both sides of *every* war and false flag terror operations like Fast and Furious -- the evidence is overwhelming.

For those who haven't heard Kennedy's speech, here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM0QY1k9N_M

Here's 6 brainwashing techniques being used on us now:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6- ... t-now.html

Here's wiki's data on false flag operations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Further:

Summary of False Flag Operations and False Flag Terrorism

..."declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans."

Can you say 9/11 -- Operation Northwoods???

http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

What makes you so sure the mass killings we are seeing aren't more false flag terror operations??? ...mind control pharmaceuticals, gun free zones, psychopath killers released into society.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:21 pm
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Lightnin' you seem to have a wonderful knack for misinterpreting what I had printed and downright fabricating things.Firstly Never did mention where I stood on gun control nor did I mention the topic at all but in your response to my post you refered to my post as if all I spoke about was gun control.I don't know where in the hell you got the impression I was on a "Soapbox" when all I did was relate a horrible incident that had left several families grieving on the holiest day of the year when everyone else is rejoicing and reminded people there are those who go through Christmas enduring terrible heartbreak and asked people to take a minute and pray for them.If you think that this is standing on a soapbox you are sadly mistaken.Calling on people to pray is hardly what one would construe as pontifficating from a soapbox-unless one is a cerebral Lilliputian.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:04 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
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I felt it was necessary to post that news story not only because it really hit home with me because I have a firefighter and police officer for daughters .I feel that everybody should be cognitive of the fact that while they are celebrating Christmas with family and friends there are others who are grieving .Maybe some will get the message and take a little time out of their day to give thanks for what they have and say a prayer and reach out to those who are hurting and less fortunate-isn't that what Christmas is about anyway?Nothing Negative about that.Have a great Christmas.


Sorry, not buying it...

I sense the smell of 'SoapBox' here... Though I do respect your right to your opinion...

I too have Family members who are EMTs, Police Officers and Trauma Surgeons, two of whom are on-duty tonight !

Like your Daughters, these are their chosen professions and what you describe, unfortunately, comes with the territory...

Ban Guns.. ?? Next we'll read of someone wading into a crowd with a Chainsaw, Axe, Propane Tank strapped to their chest, Molotav Cocktail, Cadillac Esplanade or whatever...

Unfortunately, there seems to be no end to the ways a disturbed individual can create havoc and end Life in mass quantities.. !!

It is an oversimplification to believe that banning Guns alone can end this madness !!

cheers!

Yep the sociopath will always find a way. Even if guns were banned he/she won't need a molotov cocktail hurling chainsaw. He/she will be armed to the teeth with guns from the street acquired illegally, since gun bans will not make them go away just like how we have a huge drug problem even though they're illegal. Ban guns that that person can go in full confidence that nobody else will be armed.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:15 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
I do agree that this topic could have been saved for another time if at all . Hard to believe that if you have access to this forum via a computor that we all hadn't heard about this tragedy already.


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Very thoughtful Minnesota, but unfortunately I find it difficult to express the obvious when surprised by these threads. Thankyou for being real 8)

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:50 am
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Guns are kind of like alcohol.

Within certain limitations, almost everyone has the (legal) right to buy, possess, or use either of these commodities (guns, alcohol). But there are many people who don't have the mental, emotional or moral capacity to use them in a proper, positive manner.

Just as some people's personality, demeanor and actions change (negatively) when they drink, the same thing can happen when some individuals pick up a firearm.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, there's no fool proof test to determine if an individual can "handle" it.

I'm fairly neutral on the gun control debate--I see valid arguments on both sides...however, banning guns will not keep guns out of the hands of the (worst) individuals who will most likely perpetrate a crime (whether it is a horrible massacre or a less-horrible-but-still-bad simple armed robbery). 

I'm a normal, law-abiding guy whose worst run in with the law was a pretty hefty speeding ticket 20 years ago (law enforcement officers fail to see the humor in a person driving 92 in a 60 mph zone)...nonetheless, I know where to go if I were to desire to buy an unregistered, untraceable weapon. 

If a square like me knows that, how much moreso would a criminal bent for violence and destruction?

There's no good answer in this imperfect world that is run by imperfect humans. The closest we have to a good (human) solution is to stay vigilant and aware of your surroundings, and pray you never cross paths with a madman such as we've seen in recent accounts. We can also pray that God will step in soon and bring an end to this wicked system of things.

Prayers and blessings go out to all those affected by the recent tragedies.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:08 am
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Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.


He had my attention until this point and then he proved to me beyond even a shadow of a doubt that he is not to be taken seriously. In my opinion the second someone describes either the left or the right or anypone who possesses an opinion differing from their own in a derogatory fashion ("predictably emotional calls," implying there is no reason or logic behind the calls) that's the precise moment that I become absolutely positive that they are totally out to lunch. Anything this Ron Paul said after that point may have been great and wonderful or it may have been total shyte but I will never know because I stopped reading. It's been my observation in life that it does not matter whether someone leans left or right there is an equal incidence of emotional bias and the other thing I notice is that those who make these inneundos are the most emotionally biased and therefore not to be taken seriously. If people can't make an argument without taking the low road I immediately dismiss them as cranks and listen no further.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:19 am
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RCB's philosophy and take on things is not new to us. Best to respect his right to express an opinion without getting wound up in it.

As I see it, there certainly are ways to insure that firearms are kept out of the wrong hands. What's at the heart of the resistance has less to do with the Second Ammendment and more to do with the issues of the controls required to achieve the goals. A totally hands off policy is what is desired by many. I often wonder what a state of affairs we would be dealing with if the right operate an automobile were guaranteed by the U.S.Constitution.

That said, my personal feelings about anyone committing a crime using any weapon as a threat of bodily harm is that they should imprisoned for life without parole. People like that should be taken out of circulation for good.

The penalty for driving under the influence should be loss of driving priviledges for life.

Them's my two cents, and I have change if you need it.l :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:57 am
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Please send your prayers out to the victims and their families and to all others who are experiencing heartbreak rather than joy at this time.......God Bless and comfort all those who are mourning during this most holy of seasons.


Or turn it into a gun control debate :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:03 pm
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i say ban criminals first and then we can talk.


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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:51 pm
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Why does a private person need a Bushmaster/M4 semi-automatic? Useless for hunting, useless for self-defence. That's a pure attack weapon used in the military.

I understand people having a .38 single-action at home. Why not. But we're talking assault rifles here. Can't we ban these?

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:45 pm
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Amerigo wrote:
Why does a private person need a Bushmaster/M4 semi-automatic? Useless for hunting, useless for self-defence. That's a pure attack weapon used in the military.

I understand people having a .38 single-action at home. Why not. But we're talking assault rifles here. Can't we ban these?

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How unbelievably naive. Gee, maybe if we all just held hands, nobody could hold a gun.


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