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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:31 pm
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I still steadfastedly maintain that that is just a bunch of fabricated hysteria created for no other reason to rile people up.From what I see of the Examiner it has just as much creedence as the National Enquirer.The indigenous population has a much higher death rate that the people of European extraction but that is largely due to health issues which are largely exascerbated by the woeful neglect and inaction of the Harper Regime. First Nations people have alarmingly high incidences of Heart disease,diabetes,obesity, liver diseases such as sirosis etc.,alcoholism,substance abuse-gas sniffing is rampant in some Innu communities,the aboriginals also have a suicide rate many times the national average and one of the highest in the world.Gang wars among aboriginal youth is also claiming a lot of young lives but there is absolutely not a planned and systematic genocide and anyone who believes the journalistic sensationalism that says that it is,is being misled to no uncertain extent and being very naive.You are sitting on the other side of the fence and reading very predjudiced and biased information and then venturing opinions based on this offal that you are reading.I am as I said living in Canada and Read and listen to credible sources for my information and I unequivocally say that There Is No Genocide Going on In Canada and if there was I would one of the first people that my Aboriginal relatives and friends would tell because of my strong social conscience and my involvement in several human rights agencies and associations plus my numerous political commentaries that have been both published and broadcast in local and national media.That is all I'm going to say on it as I get the feeling that if I post again I'll just be continuing to flog a dead horse.I live here and I KNOW what is going on here,if you still choose to believe the sensationalist rants of a news rag I can't change that but I'm going by what's written and broadcast by the most informed,credible and unbiased political and social commentators and journalists in Canada plus my own social and famial contact with my Cree relatives and my daughter's contact with Innu and Inuit coworkers.


The site referenced is by an American right-wing conspiracy theorist. I usually look at CBC. Canada hopefully still has strict gun laws, I haven't lived there since Harper took over so God knows what damage he has caused. My cousin fills me in sometimes on what's happening.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:32 pm
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Guns were banned in Great Britain 15-years ago. However, the UK has the second highest crime rate in the EU, and the EU named Great Britain "the most violent country in the EU."

Facts:

1. In the UK, there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
2. In the US, 466 violent crimes per 100,00 people.

We are safer in the US with guns than the UK is without guns, period.

TV Anchor Delivers Blistering Fact-Check of Piers Morgan's Anti-Gun Claims
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Very misleading information.


The information I presented are cold, hard facts. You are safer in the US with guns than you are in the UK without guns and the EU voted Great Britain "the most violent country in the EU."

Further, most gun related crimes in the US can be traced back to false flag operations like Fast and Furious (a false flag operation meant to trick people into giving up their arms so criminal factions within the US can depopulate the planet, see Georgia Guidestones, Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius):

http://www.infowars.com/dea-acknowledges-supporting-role-in-operation-fast-and-furious/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
"...achieving a more sustainable population..."

Codex Alimentarius - The End Of Healthy Food, Minerals and Vitamins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTs408Nzl0A

Watch Codex Alimentarius first. Then, research Agenda 21. Next, research "false flag" operations.


And these facts I shared earlier

Murders committed by youths: UK: 139 US: 8226

Murders with Firearms: UK: 14 US: 9369

Average per year.

Are not? These are are also hard facts..

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:47 pm
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Sarigul wrote:

And these facts I shared earlier

Murders committed by youths: UK: 139 US: 8226

Murders with Firearms: UK: 14 US: 9369

Average per year.

Are not? These are are also hard facts..

The source I used is the 2011 FBI statistics. What is your source? Until you provide a source, your numbers have no credibility.

And, you are ignoring the critical facts contained in the source I posted.

Are you disputing that the EU named Great Britain "the most violent country in the EU"?

Are you disputing:

1. In the UK, there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
2. In the US, 466 violent crimes per 100,00 people.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:39 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Sarigul wrote:

And these facts I shared earlier

Murders committed by youths: UK: 139 US: 8226

Murders with Firearms: UK: 14 US: 9369

Average per year.

Are not? These are are also hard facts..

The source I used is the 2011 FBI statistics. What is your source? Until you provide a source, your numbers have no credibility.

And, you are ignoring the critical facts contained in the source I posted.

Are you disputing that the EU named Great Britain "the most violent country in the EU"?

Are you disputing:

1. In the UK, there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
2. In the US, 466 violent crimes per 100,00 people.

?


The facts I presented are also from the FBI. I hope you don't also question the credibility of that.

The EU naming the UK "the most violent country in the EU" is nothing but a mere political game as the UK is not fully integrated into the EU like France or Germany. Anyone can name anywhere. This proves nothing. I had hoped that with the level of importance you give on "hard fact" you should have noticed this earlier.

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:40 pm
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Sarigul wrote:
The facts I presented are also from the FBI. I hope you don't also question the credibility of that.

The EU naming the UK "the most violent country in the EU" is nothing but a mere political game as the UK is not fully integrated into the EU like France or Germany. Anyone can name anywhere. This proves nothing. I had hoped that with the level of importance you give on "hard fact" you should have noticed this earlier.

Yes, I can dispute the credibility of your statements.

Will you please provide a link to the stats you are quoting? For all I know, you are simply parroting false information, or you are a propagandist spewing lies in a feeble attempt to refute the facts.

Plus, the UK statement; "the most violent country in the EU" is based on data, not a political game. So, I can refute your rebuttal. Your rebuttal is baseless; therefore, moot. Based on the data, Great Britain is the most violent country in the EU despite the gun ban.

Again, the following are cold, hard facts. You have ignored these facts thus far. Are you disputing these facts?:

1. In the UK, there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
2. In the US, 466 violent crimes per 100,00 people.

If you have no data to refute these facts, then it is true that despite a gun ban in the UK, the US is safer despite the UK gun ban, correct?

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:34 pm
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For all I know, you are simply parroting false information, or you are a propagandist spewing lies in a feeble attempt to refute the facts.


Funniest statement in this entire ridiculous thread. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:42 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Funniest statement in this entire ridiculous thread. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Another master debater chimes in...

Government democide and disarmament are greatest threats of violence

The truth about government disarmament and mass murder:

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http://www.infowars.com/demand-a-real-plan-video-goes-viral-government-democide-and-disarmament-are-greatest-threats-of-violence/

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:58 pm
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You get funnier and funnier with each post. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you even have "proof" of where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, what really goes on at Area 51, and how the Mets really won the World series in 1969. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:02 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
You get funnier and funnier with each post. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you even have "proof" of where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, what really goes on at Area 51, and how the Mets really won the World series in 1969. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:04 pm
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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:18 pm
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Guys, we're trying to have a serious discussion here. If you've got nothing positive to add, or you can't refute information being posted, why don't you go join another discussion instead of rudely interrupting this discussion with childish insults and meaningless information!

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." Eric Hoffer

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:44 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Guys, we're trying to have a serious discussion here. If you've got nothing positive to add, or you can't refute information being posted, why don't you go join another discussion instead of rudely interrupting this discussion with childish insults and meaningless information!

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." Eric Hoffer

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Really? Seems like its been pretty one sided for some time now given the way you have been treating your fellow forum members who refute your "facts" or should we say:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:45 pm
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So, how about those new pawn shop guitar models.?


I don't know. Aren't they made by commies? They could have secret listening devices hidden inside them to spy on us. I bet I could find "proof" of that if I looked hard enough. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:46 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
You get funnier and funnier with each post. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you even have "proof" of where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, what really goes on at Area 51, and how the Mets really won the World series in 1969. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


:wink: :D

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Post subject: Re: Christmas Tragedy
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:10 pm
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Wow ...... Been away for a few days and this is still raging on albeit in a strange " One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest " from certain tangents....

Anyway ... The Sandy Hook benefit car show was a good turn out, especially considering the snow storm the night before and 25F temps and high winds ..... The Stratford Air and Space Museeum is located right close to the shoreline .....

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