So I have a guitar wireless system that works well, but it sucks all the treble out before the amp and everything sounds very muddy. I could use the amp settings to compensate, but I'd like to try one of these instead:



The question is, where would you place it in the following?

Guitar==>Wireless Transmitter==>Wireless Receiver==>BOSS Tuner Pedal, BOSS Pedal Effects==>Fender Mustang III Amplifier

The Mustang III has an effects loop, so I could put the EQ and/or the effects there instead. My pedal effects are a BOSS chorus and BOSS tremolo. What do you think?

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That's meant for the exact opposite issue - normally a wireless makes your tone way too bright due to losing the capacitance of the cable, and with one of those you can tame it back to something reasonable.

I'd be looking at the wireless, personally - very odd that it makes it dull. Which system is it? Could be that it's got some little switch somewhere to set the impedance of the input to something far more guitar friendly.

Adding treble after something which sucks treble never really sounds right, much easier and better sounding (and more than likely cheaper than buying an EQ pedal ) to just take care of the actual problem rather than apply EQ.

...you should read the brochure. It's not a treble booster. And, the problem described "it sucks all the treble out before the amp and everything sounds very muddy" is not a treble issue, it's an impedance issue. Typically, when you loose the low and middle frequencies through impedance mis-match, you get the perception that the sound is bright and everything else is muddy. So, for sure, try the tonebone first!

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I don't need to read the brochure, I own two of them! Very handy for restoring that warmth which a wireless takes away, but it'll not be too helpful in this case, as it expects the impedance load following it to at least be reasonably guitar-friendly, such as a correctly set guitar wireless, DI box, etc.

If you just plug it into a typical low impedance input (yes, I have tried it - both my DI boxes died on the same day and I was desperate ) it's far less successful - it does work to some degree, but I found even my cheapest passive DI sounded infinitely better in that role. Plug it in front of a DI box when recording direct with amp sims, etc, and it does sound absolutely spiffing, and very handy for tweaking a tone which is 'almost there' into the sweet spot.

For the purpose it was intended to fill, it's the niftiest little gadget in the world - I only use a wireless for gigs in very large venues, but I'd not use a wireless without one these days, really does help keep things consistent.

I was just pointing out that quite possibly there may be a small (possibly internal) switch on the transmitter to set the input impedance - some transmitters are multi purpose, and can be used for everything from mics to low impedance line inputs, some have little DIP switches to set the impedance accordingly which if set incorrectly would give exactly the symptoms the OP describes. There's no point patching over a problem when you can just fix the problem correctly for less effort and money. Of course, some transmitters have their input impedance fixed, and that can be utterly wrong if they're either not dedicated guitar units or if they're just cheap and nasty. I had a cheapo 'guitar' wireless years ago that I eventually worked out had an input impedance of about 8K ohms, which as you can imagine, sounded like utter mud covered in another coating of mud.

If you really wanted to bodge it, then a cheap small passive DI box taped to the strap before the transmitter would work fine, and certainly be infinitely better than adding EQ.

Of course, when the transmitter is either set up properly, replaced or repaired, then definitely get one of those Dragster units, as they're flipping amazing.

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I just figured that experience from someone who actually owns and uses the product referred to is a lot more useful than a load of marketing waffle.

After all, if that sort of thing was actually true all the time, we'd all be playing through Line 6 amps and will have burned all the hideously unreliable vintage gear on a ceremonial pyre as we can apparently get exactly the same tones from a computer chip.

(Disclaimer - it is mostly all true with the Radial stuff, they really do make incredibly good touring quality kit, and they have received rather a lot of my pennies in exchange for goods (including the Plexitube I bought last week - seriously good pedal, despite a few flaws) over the last couple of years - I absolutely love their stuff, and if the Dragster was the best solution for this particular problem, I'd be preaching about it from a hilltop!)

I tend to subscribe to the way of thinking that if something is causing a problem, fix the problem. A guitar wireless (or a generic transmitter pack with the correct input impedance set) should never, ever suck treble - I've spent years fighting to take a bit of top end off the damn things, which is mostly why I ended up with the aforementioned Radial setup after a series of DIY boxes.

Now, if someone can invent a gadget which lets a wireless system live happily with a germanium Fuzz Face AND let it still respond to the guitar volume control in the same way as with a cable, they would have every penny I possess from now until the end of time.

strings10927, since the only issue you described is a wireless impedance mismatch at the amp, I'd go with Vulpinity's advice and get a Radial Dragster...he says they're flipping amazing!

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Why, you sneaky misquoting person. I like you.

Hee-hee - hey Vulpinity, I like your style.



So presuming that strings10927's question has now been answered (one way or another), care to tell us what sort of stuff you play? And how, when and where does a gig-going (ticket buying) Forum user get to see you in action?

Cheers man - C

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As you ask (and apologies for thread hijacking in advance!) - I play whatever I'm paid to play Been mostly a session player for the past 18 years, which has led me to some interesting gigs playing in various places around the globe for a lot of small names, and some 'less small' names! Used to do a lot of studio work for the BBC as well, so most UK forumites have probably heard me on something or other as 'random soundtrack guitarist #438277', probably just playing one dramatic chord here and there, haha.

I've eased off a lot in the last couple of years though, mostly as I moved away from London out into the sticks and genuinely can't be bothered to put in hundreds of miles of driving for a session which might last half an hour and barely cover my travel expenses, added to the general slowdown in that kind of work due to it being rather easy to just add samples or utilise Autotune instead of plying real musicians with cash and coffee.

I mostly teach at the moment, much less stressful! Still do the odd session here and there, but it's mostly by email tag over the interwebnets in these crazy modern times, gone are the days of lugging a car full of vintage gear into a studio for a week - sad to say most of my paid stuff is done with plugins these days rather than gently simmering tubes.

On my own time, I'm more of a rock/blues type of guy, and I'm taking some time at the moment to write material with a band I've put together before unleashing it on the unwary public and putting a short tour together hopefully sometime next year! The fun pub covers band gets wheeled out now and then to keep my hand in, and occasional dep gigs here and there, but nothing too regular for the moment.

There y'go, a potted history of me.

And a very tidy CV it is too! Respect.



Well, if you take it anywhere near either the Capital or the South West and you want to drum up a few extra audience members please remember to let us know here in good time. That's totally in the spirit of this Forum I believe. There's willing gig-goers out here who'd love to hear you do your thang - don't be bashful!

More respect, and good luck! - C

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Before you go shelling out on more products, check that you've set the receiver up properly mate. Having too much gain from the receiver to the amp cause the effect you're describing.

I've used some pretty shonky wireless units and have found they all benefit by a bit of attentiveness on set up.

Never heard of anyone wanting capacitance between the guitar and amp before??? It's what conmen instrument cable manufacturers charge £££££ to avoid.

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Hey all, thanks so much for the responses. And please excuse the GIANT PICTURES I'm about to post, they are from the manufacturer's website....



It's a Galaxy Audio ECM:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Galaxy-Audio-ECM-GUITAR-WIRELESS-SYSTEM-H72726-i1847517.gc



Yep, it's got Mic, 0, and -10. None of these seems to take the cotton balls off the speaker....





Not at all!



As far as this receiver, there are very few things to adjust.

1. Select = selects the wireless channel

2. ASC = A quick connect, AFAIK it just syncs the transmitter with the receiver

3. Volume = Doesn't seem to have much effect on the overall tone

4. On the back is a squelch (marked 'mute level')





Do you think adjusting the 'mute level' would do anything? I didn't try that...

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After a quick trip to the manufacturer's website -



With a 5K input impedance, I'm not surprised that you're losing treble! If fact, I'm almost amazed you're getting any signal at all. You want at the very least 500k to avoid loading down the pickups of most guitars, 1M ohm or higher is pretty common for the inputs of amps and pedals meant for guitar.

Nothing short of a DI box into the transmitter (or some sort of buffer circuit built into the guitar) will fix that, I'm afraid - I'm shocked that Guitar Center sell that as a 'guitar wireless', when even the manufacturer states that for guitar you need their specific 'Guitar Bud' transmitter.

And while I'm here -



We'll definitely be around London and the South West (I'm in southern Hampshire), so will do!