Found this interesting site :

http://www.pedensvintage.com/index/Home.html

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To me vintage anything is pre 1969. But as the years of Classic Rock change, I suppose the years something becomes vintage changes too.

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what year consitutes vintage is always changing. it shouldnt get mixed up with pre CBS 'snobbery' - not that im accusing anybody. we all know pre cbs is better, but time is an unstoppable force, and old things get called vintage, regardless of where they come from or how well they're made.

lets be honest, if the CBS thing never happened, we'd all be calling 70's stuff vintage.

its like classic cars. in 30 years, a 2012 car will be called vintage (if it hasnt been scrapped the first tiem it breaks). if said car is a new ferrari, in 30 years everybody will be drooling over it. if said car is a piece of crap boring ugly little town runabout car, it'll still be 'vintage', but hardly anybody will be remotely interested.

Thanks for posting this interesting link , Mike. However , I have no passion for the vintage stuff , though I wouldn't mind any of those objects So I really don't have any opinion on what to call vintage. My closest plans in that direction , is building my own 5e3-clone in near future....

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I have been into vintage stuff since I got out of the army in 1971. I've got a vintage Corvette, tons of vintage collectibles (like coins and fruit jars and kitchenware) and my kids are now referring to ME as vintage.

As far as what I consider "vintage" when it comes to Fender... my first Fender guitar, a 1971 Tele Custom.

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Found another site that has some cool "vintage" info :

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gallery.html


...edited to add that the links at the bottom have some useful info too:
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html

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Mike, thanks for the link, but I owned vintage gear before it was vintage and sold it before it was vintage with the thought that I would replace it and, well, the gear I have now will be vintage eventually, lol.

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I regard anything made pre 1970 to be fairly vintage but more exactly I regard anything that's pre CBS as being vintage for Fenders.I look upon the pre 1970 date as the criteria for any guitar to be classed as vintage.I can't really say how or why I think this way but it always appeared to me that guitars made from the 60s back was of better quality and most certainly appeared to be made of much higher grade woods.The workmanship back then was more hands-on and robots and heavy machinery were not to be seen or at least were a rarity.I know that quality of a lot of electric guitars could be inconsistant but acoustics were another story as the acoustics were made by true luthiers.I'd much rather a mid 60s D-28 or SJ-400 to a new one because the hands of a true luthier crafted it and his pride and love of the instrument he made is evident whe you hold it and play it.Also the rosewood on the fingerboard was top grade Brazilian and all the other woods were the best that they could harvest.

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'65 Strat,65 Mustang,65 Jaguar,4 more Strats,3 vintage Vox guitars,5 Vox amps,'69 Bassman with a '68 2-15 Bassman cab,36 guitars total-15asst'd amps total,2 vintage '60s Hammond organs & a myriad of effects-with a few rare vintage ones.

Personally anything made in the eighties and older I regard as "vintage". To all varying degrees of course. I've seen some 80's Kramer guitars as listed as vintage.. For example.

However, there is a difference in the terms 'vintage', 'valuable' and 'collectible'. Just because it may be a vintage guitar, does not mean it's collectable. Or, Just because it may be 'collectible' does not warrant it 'valuble'.. And so on... you all get my drift

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Agreed and per the links above, this is not vintage, but is considered rare and a collector's item. It was made in 1981 and the company was sold soon afterwards.

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I was reading a thread just a few days ago in the Strat forum, where someone stated they were going to buy an old Strat, about 5 or 6 years old! I realized their perception of old wasn't the same as mine.

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'66 Guild Starfire IV w/Bigsby
'14 Warmouth Partscaster Daphne Blue

Hi Mike, one man's Vintage is another man's yesterday, I refuse to date anything as vintage that came after 1959 , I see in the Amp section '85 is considered vintage well that's more like yesterday to me, does it also follow that the music produced before '85 is also vintage, I think we need better and wider definitions.

My Norma guitar, made in (roughly) 1966-1967 is just as vintage as any other guitar made in the same year.

My SD Invader, made some time in the early 80s, is just as vintage as any other part from the same timeframe. (hard to date)

My Peavey Envoy 110, made in (roughly) 1986 is just as vintage as any other amp made in the same year.

And uhhh, my halfstack isn't quite 25 yet. Give it like 3 or 4 more years.

Tbh, 25 is the magic number. Anything built to last a quarter of a century deserves the title.

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1984 Squier Contemporary Stratocaster
1986 Peavey Envoy 110
1967 Kingston Acoustic

I think you're right. The term "vintage" is used too frequently
and everyone seems to have a different idea of what vintage is.

Also, the reason I started this topic.

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I remember a debate about this in Guitarist magazine two or three years ago. It was somehow concluded that vintage in the guitar world meant anything over 30 years old. There followed outrage from readers that early '80s guitars were therefore just about to become vintage, which upset several people.

As has been said, vintage and valuable ain't the same thing.

Anyhow. When my wife and I got married as part of our day's festivities we hired a vintage bus to carry our guests from one location to another. My father-in-law was particularly offended that the vintage bus was considerably younger than he was. On the plus side, he was running better.

...For another bit of our wedding we hired a steam train, loaded everyone aboard and ran them along a preserved line while stuffing them with strawberries and champagne. One of the cars of that train had more than a century earlier been part of Queen Victoria's royal train - now that's vintage!

Cheers - C

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