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try VH1C and fuse

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Try radio.
For US peeps try some of the BBC's stations. You can listen online/on satellite.

BBC6 music is great.

Radio 2 is good for older stuff of thats what you like...


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try VH1C and fuse


VH1 Classic is usually my choice. Then again, I'm old. I am classic.

I think we need a new version of Midnight Special or Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. Something not made by the labels. Just a band performing. It could follow SNL.

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Yeah i really like VH1 Classic and Fuse.


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If you're only 14 and think MTV sucks now, if you're 32 like me, you'd remember when MTV was actually pretty decent from the mid 80s to about the early 90s, and then you'd be even more pissed. :lol:



My thoughts exactally! Im 32 as well!

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Well the "novelty" of music videos was bound to wear off--there were many video shows, and then a video channel was a big deal. But bound to wear thin--so it became less about the "M" and more about the "TV"

That's not to defend them, just to give a perspective.

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I actually saw an episode of unplugged on MTV a couple of months ago. It was Nirvanna (I think thats how you spell it) that was where I first heard they're song Lake of Fire. I've loved that song ever since. By the way this was at like two o' clock in the morning, that's pretty late.
I remember back when I was about seven years old seeing my first episode of beavis and butthead; for some reason I never see it on there anymore. I really liked that show. MTV really sucks now so I quit watching it, and now I watch music video's on youtube.

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Iv'e also resorted to watching music videos on youtube. Oh yeah and I like Beavis and Butthead too. 8)


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thegigman0 wrote:
try VH1C and fuse


VH1 Classic is usually my choice. Then again, I'm old. I am classic.

I think we need a new version of Midnight Special or Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. Something not made by the labels. Just a band performing. It could follow SNL.


Midnight Special... Don Kirshner...
Now that brings back memories!!!

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bill948 wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
thegigman0 wrote:
try VH1C and fuse


VH1 Classic is usually my choice. Then again, I'm old. I am classic.

I think we need a new version of Midnight Special or Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. Something not made by the labels. Just a band performing. It could follow SNL.


Midnight Special... Don Kirshner...
Now that brings back memories!!!

Bill


I'm old enough to remember the Midnight Special-it was on late night Fridays on NBC-good stuff! Now I have to watch the late night talk shows and HOPE that some band worth watching and listening to is going to be on.

I really miss my old MTV. 120 Minutes, Headbangers' Ball, Alternative Nation, Beavis and Butthead, reruns of Speed Racer and The Young Ones...I wish that I could get Fuse and VH1C, but my cable company doesn't carry them, and I'm BUMMED.

The best I can do is if I'm up late, I'll catch Nocturnal State on VH1, if nothing else is on, or if I go to bed before 3AM.

A few years ago, MTV was selling T-shirts with the old MTV logo on them (white on black shirt), and I got a few. I'm tempted to get a word screenprinted under the logo. Anybody want to guess what that word is?

MTV stands for 'Music Television'-or used to. To say the least, what they have on their programming now ain't that. If I want to see self absorbed, clueless, arrogant, spoiled people arguing, I can just take a walk in the neighborhood.


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All commercial media is primarily an advertising delivery system.

Cable TV has changed the way advertising is delivered to audiences. MTV and VH1 are cable networks: if you don't have cable, you can't see them.

Both MTV and VH1 have found it more lucrative to stop being music channels and to become "lifestyle" channels for people with an interest in music.

Because, let's face it... you can't sell advertising to Cadillac when you're running Beavis and Butthead cartoons between music vids.... that audience isn't going to buy a $32,000 car. MTV's original audience was buying gum, movie tickets, fast food, etc. If you wanted to spread out, you had to change the demographic.

That's what happened to MTV.


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Gravity Jim wrote:
All commercial media is primarily an advertising delivery system.

Cable TV has changed the way advertising is delivered to audiences. MTV and VH1 are cable networks: if you don't have cable, you can't see them.

Both MTV and VH1 have found it more lucrative to stop being music channels and to become "lifestyle" channels for people with an interest in music.

Because, let's face it... you can't sell advertising to Cadillac when you're running Beavis and Butthead cartoons between music vids.... that audience isn't going to buy a $32,000 car. MTV's original audience was buying gum, movie tickets, fast food, etc. If you wanted to spread out, you had to change the demographic.


Sad but true, Jim is right!! I remember the day i woke up and went man mtv sucks and started watching vhi, but now i dont watch any of them. I use to watch cmt too, but it has done the same thing.

That's what happened to MTV.


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Thank god for the digital cable music channels and XM satellite. Non-stop music, no commercials and I can put on the genre of music that I feel like listening to at that moment. Just to have those choices are worth the money they cost on a monthly basis.

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Gravity Jim wrote:
All commercial media is primarily an advertising delivery system.

Cable TV has changed the way advertising is delivered to audiences. MTV and VH1 are cable networks: if you don't have cable, you can't see them.

Both MTV and VH1 have found it more lucrative to stop being music channels and to become "lifestyle" channels for people with an interest in music.

Because, let's face it... you can't sell advertising to Cadillac when you're running Beavis and Butthead cartoons between music vids.... that audience isn't going to buy a $32,000 car. MTV's original audience was buying gum, movie tickets, fast food, etc. If you wanted to spread out, you had to change the demographic.

That's what happened to MTV.


Agreed. But TV advertising isn't going to make me go out and buy a car, otherwise golf course parking lots would have nothing but Buicks and Lincolns and Cadillacs (hmm-maybe they DO for all I know, but I don't golf, and I don't drive any of the above). I don't know which to blame, 'The People's Court' or 'The Real World', but I can turn on cable and find about 15-20 'reality' shows on at the same time, whether it's about cleaning out your house, or seeing people get arrested. I don't know exactly when it became more popular to watch 'reality' than to participate in the real deal (um, except for the cop shows, I hope), but this programming is a sure turn off for me. And that's where MTV and VH1 lost me, probably for good. 'Reality shows' are no substitute for music for me, regardless if the demographic and/or the programming is loosely associated with music or not. The thing that REALLY gets annoying to me is where VH1 shows snippets of videos, and feels compelled to have some third rate celebrity 'interpret' them for me, without even showing 1/3 of the video! When I saw them originally, they were full length videos, and I didn't need ANY VJ to interpret them for me. Would anyone tolerate that on any form of music-formatted radio?

Cable TV has been around for about 30 years (depending on where you live), and someone always had to pay for it, it was never free (duh). Cable being commercial is nothing new. But one wonders where the Cable networks draw the line on formatting and concept. Is Cartoon Network going to stop showing cartoons? Is the Comedy Channel going to start showing dramas instead of comedy? So why MTV (Music Television) and VH1 (Video Hits One) turned their backs on the things that made them famous is a mystery to me, money making potential or not, trendiness or not. They could've just as easily put THAT (reality shows) on one of their alternative channels, or made one specifically for that.

So now, it looks like I'm going to have to buy something else if I want video/music programming (satellite, premium channel, whatever). I remember when I was watching MTV and VH1, and could actually tell my friends about it, and they could instantly relate, it was nearly universal. Now, we wind up being so spoilt for choice that there isn't much of anything in common anymore. Apparently, I have to hunt and pick for things I want, and NO, I'm not a dinosaur stuck in the past! I don't want vintage videos, I want GOOD and current music and videos!

BTW, anybody that gets MTV Europe or MTV Asia want to weigh in on this? When I was stationed in the UK and Japan, they were MUCH different than what I saw of MTV in the U.S. I also enjoyed them MUCH more over the U.S. product.


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Over here in the Uk our telly has much much less advertising than you guys in the US.

That said, we get enough of it as it is.

MTV still sucks over here though.


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