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Post subject: Clapton platinum watch nets $3.6 million at auction
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:49 am
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In the Presence of the Lord indeed !!

For $3.6M, it better NOT have a Slow Hand.. !!

http://music.yahoo.com/news/clapton-pla ... 42266.html

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:40 am
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously you could not make this stuff up.

A bluesman eh!!! Ferrari's; in the plural take note, expensive paintings and artwork. How blues approved is that? :roll:

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:36 am
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Hmm...I wonder how much I'd get for the old Timex.


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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:30 pm
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You know it is amazing how some folks will trash a guy like Clapton for selling his own stuff and using it to fund a treatment facility for those that can NOT afford the treatment!

What a bunch of whiney azz hipocrites :!: :roll:

Clapton has given back way more than he has taken from life (WAY more than the McCartneys', Elton Johns', etc. of the world) and yet people want to bag on him for it...simply fricking amazing...just goes to show you the world is chock full of douches!

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Post subject: Re: Clapton platinum watch nets $3.6 million at auction
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:28 pm
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I don't think I was trashing him at all...

Just amazed that someone would shell out this much dough for a used watch (albeit phillip patek) simply because at one time it graced the wrist of a Celebrity...

While I agree Clapton has been very philanthropic in his later years, IIRC only his guitar auction at Christies was earmarked for his Treatment Facility - he created it back when he had issues.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:50 am
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You know it is amazing how some folks will trash a guy like Clapton for selling his own stuff and using it to fund a treatment facility for those that can NOT afford the treatment!

Treatment is not free. Not as if Tom Dick or Harry off the street who has alcohol or drug problems can just go there and be treated for free!

Here's the fees from the crossroads site.

http://crossroadsantigua.org/program_costs/

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:10 am
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Gorgon, what is your beef with Clapton?

Yes, he's got a lifestyle that many/most/none of us will ever have.

Yes, he's rich...(and I admit that I have contributed to his wealth by buying his records and attending his concerts).

No, he's not a sharecropper or a shoe-shiner, but he's gotten through some pretty low times in his life (some of his own making, some due to unforeseen occurences) and seems to be helping others in a positive way...more so than some, less so than others, but atleast he's doing something. (What have you done to help others?)

You seem offended at his success...or are you jealous?

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:09 am
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Pointing out that what stratman was saying was wrong and ill informed. There's a popular misconception that the crossroads centre is a charity where people come in off the street, who are suffering from drug or alcohol problems, and they are treated free of charge with no question.

As you can see from my link to the fee's that have to be paid, this is not the case.

If you're talking about free treatment for drug problems, then places like the Haight Asbury Free clinic are where the treatment is given for nothing.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:38 am
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I have been given to understand that there is a means test for subsidized care though it does not appear on the website. As far as the rarified atmosphere in the world of watch collecting, the amount of money which exchanges hands for these rare little machines makes our guitar collecting mates look like a bunch of pikers notwithstanding the coin they've shelled out to preserve these works of art for posterity. :wink:

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:57 pm
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Gorgon wrote:
Pointing out that what stratman was saying was wrong and ill informed. There's a popular misconception that the crossroads centre is a charity where people come in off the street, who are suffering from drug or alcohol problems, and they are treated free of charge with no question.

As you can see from my link to the fee's that have to be paid, this is not the case.

If you're talking about free treatment for drug problems, then places like the Haight Asbury Free clinic are where the treatment is given for nothing.


Once again Gorgon knows all...those prices are for the paying customers, NOT the locals on the island that can and DO receive FREE treatment. Oh but I forgot you are always right...The only one with the misconception is you...Clapton has said it is a why on numerous occassions why he is selling off things that he no longer wants or needs...blow it out your azz!

I feel sorry for you...to be that negative about someone doing good in the world, you must really be a barrel full of monkeys to hang around!

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:45 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Gorgon wrote:
Pointing out that what stratman was saying was wrong and ill informed. There's a popular misconception that the crossroads centre is a charity where people come in off the street, who are suffering from drug or alcohol problems, and they are treated free of charge with no question.

As you can see from my link to the fee's that have to be paid, this is not the case.

If you're talking about free treatment for drug problems, then places like the Haight Asbury Free clinic are where the treatment is given for nothing.


Once again Gorgon knows all...those prices are for the paying customers, NOT the locals on the island that can and DO receive FREE treatment. Oh but I forgot you are always right...The only one with the misconception is you...Clapton has said it is a why on numerous occassions why he is selling off things that he no longer wants or needs...blow it out your azz!

I feel sorry for you...to be that negative about someone doing good in the world, you must really be a barrel full of monkeys to hang around!

T2

T2 and I appear to have been priviledged to the same source. If I'm not mistaken it was actually Eric who stated that they were offering services to the island residents there being a high incidence of substance abuse in that community.

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Once again Gorgon knows all...those prices are for the paying customers, NOT the locals on the island that can and DO receive FREE treatment. Oh but I forgot you are always right...The only one with the misconception is you...Clapton has said it is a why on numerous occassions why he is selling off things that he no longer wants or needs...blow it out your azz!

I feel sorry for you...to be that negative about someone doing good in the world, you must really be a barrel full of monkeys to hang around!

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If he's doing that then then fair enough but lets have the proof. It says nothing about that on the site as far as i can see. So why even charge customers if it's supposed to be a charity? It's supposed to be a charity, why does he have paying customers? that's not a charity, that's a business!

You have to provide a link to prove what you're saying. Just spouting off doesn't cut it. One more thing; refrain from the expletives, it isn't clever. Unless you want me to start acting as ignorant as you?

As far as being negative about Clapton: Yes i am. Anyone who likes to indulge himself with multi million dollar Ferrari's and enjoys rubbing the general publics nose in it as he publicly parades that wealth is a nob IMO.

I'm not against anyone buying what they want and doing what they want with their own money as long as they do it privately. But when you have someone giving the press free access to the unveiling of his new customised Ferrari, costing however many million dollars, then they should expect some criticism. I think a more low key and private arrangement could and should have been made. Then it's a private matter and he can do what he likes as long as we don't have to read about him doing it. There's nothing particularly chivalrous about sticking your wealth in others faces.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:54 pm
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Gorgon wrote:
Pointing out that what stratman was saying was wrong and ill informed. There's a popular misconception that the crossroads centre is a charity where people come in off the street, who are suffering from drug or alcohol problems, and they are treated free of charge with no question.

As you can see from my link to the fee's that have to be paid, this is not the case.

If you're talking about free treatment for drug problems, then places like the Haight Asbury Free clinic are where the treatment is given for nothing.


Once again Gorgon knows all...those prices are for the paying customers, NOT the locals on the island that can and DO receive FREE treatment. Oh but I forgot you are always right...The only one with the misconception is you...Clapton has said it is a why on numerous occassions why he is selling off things that he no longer wants or needs...blow it out your azz!

I feel sorry for you...to be that negative about someone doing good in the world, you must really be a barrel full of monkeys to hang around!

T2

T2 and I appear to have been priviledged to the same source. If I'm not mistaken it was actually Eric who stated that they were offering services to the island residents there being a high incidence of substance abuse in that community.


ZZ Doc, you are correct, it was Eric Himself on Many occassions stating publically that local islanders recieve FREE treatment since there is a high rate of addiction to drugs and alcohol on the island. That is why he charges quite a bit more...just so the islanders can get it for free.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:20 pm
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Once again Gorgon knows all...those prices are for the paying customers, NOT the locals on the island that can and DO receive FREE treatment. Oh but I forgot you are always right...The only one with the misconception is you...Clapton has said it is a why on numerous occassions why he is selling off things that he no longer wants or needs...blow it out your azz!

I feel sorry for you...to be that negative about someone doing good in the world, you must really be a barrel full of monkeys to hang around!

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If he's doing that then then fair enough but lets have the proof. It says nothing about that on the site as far as i can see. So why even charge customers if it's supposed to be a charity? It's supposed to be a charity, why does he have paying customers? that's not a charity, that's a business!

You have to provide a link to prove what you're saying. Just spouting off doesn't cut it. One more thing; refrain from the expletives, it isn't clever. Unless you want me to start acting as ignorant as you?

As far as being negative about Clapton: Yes i am. Anyone who likes to indulge himself with multi million dollar Ferrari's and enjoys rubbing the general publics nose in it as he publicly parades that wealth is a nob IMO.

I'm not against anyone buying what they want and doing what they want with their own money as long as they do it privately. But when you have someone giving the press free access to the unveiling of his new customised Ferrari, costing however many million dollars, then they should expect some criticism. I think a more low key and private arrangement could and should have been made. Then it's a private matter and he can do what he likes as long as we don't have to read about him doing it. There's nothing particularly chivalrous about sticking your wealth in others faces.


Gorgon, Last time I checked I don't have to prove a thing...others have heard/seen the same thing, and that was a quote from EC. Maybe if you leave that bias of yours alone for a minute you might actually read that as I and others did.

And the treatment center is NOT a charity, it is a Treatment center, and they charge those prices so the center can afford to let locals go through without having to pay. And the stuff he has been auctioning off, is going to build an additional Crossroads Treatment Center in Florida. But I guess that is also him rubbing your nose in his wealth.

As for the Ferrari deal, he wasn't saying look at my new expensive car, he has had a long relationship with Ferrari for decades and is a supporter and enthusiast of the brand. I am guessing if you introduced yourself to Mr. Clapton, I am positive he would be the first to say he is NOT trying to rub your nose in his wealth, quite frankly he doesn't care what you think, but certainly meant you no harm or foul.

So if I tell you I have a $60K Corvette, and someone does an article about me picking it up at the National Corvette Museum (This happens on a daily basis) that I am somehow rubbing your nose in MY wealth? Like I said earlier, get over yourself and TRY to have a sense of humor about people, I know I certainly am not rubbing your nose in my wealth...but if you take it that way, that is your loss. Stop the negativity on a man you know nothing about.

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Gorgon, Last time I checked I don't have to prove a thing...others have heard/seen the same thing, and that was a quote from EC. Maybe if you leave that bias of yours alone for a minute you might actually read that as I and others did.

You didn't have to prove anything until you started making insulting comments. The making of those comments demands that you back up what you say.


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And the treatment center is NOT a charity, it is a Treatment center, and they charge those prices so the center can afford to let locals go through without having to pay. And the stuff he has been auctioning off, is going to build an additional Crossroads Treatment Center in Florida. But I guess that is also him rubbing your nose in his wealth.

How is it that when they have the crossroads festival every second or third year they always say the proceeds are going towards EC's crossroads charity?

As far as opening a place in Florida; why doesn't he open one in the Uk instead of Antigua or Florida? he's from the UK. Surely it would be better to open one at home? If he does that and it's free treatment for people then that's good and i applaud it but not if people have to pay a fee.

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As for the Ferrari deal, he wasn't saying look at my new expensive car, he has had a long relationship with Ferrari for decades and is a supporter and enthusiast of the brand. I am guessing if you introduced yourself to Mr. Clapton, I am positive he would be the first to say he is NOT trying to rub your nose in his wealth, quite frankly he doesn't care what you think, but certainly meant you no harm or foul.

Of course he was. It was a special one off customised Ferrari and he made sure that all the press were on hand to publicise it etc. he obviously agreed to the publicity otherwise if he insisted in keeping the matter private and low key then the car dealers would obviously go along with a customers wishes. He didn't want that he wanted to flaunt it for the publicity.

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So if I tell you I have a $60K Corvette, and someone does an article about me picking it up at the National Corvette Museum (This happens on a daily basis) that I am somehow rubbing your nose in MY wealth?

Obviosly not as no one knows you from adam. You're not a multi millionaire rock star so no one would be paying attention to anything you do whereas Clapton flaunting his wealth with a $5M Ferrari does generate comments.

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Like I said earlier, get over yourself and TRY to have a sense of humor about people, I know I certainly am not rubbing your nose in my wealth...but if you take it that way, that is your loss. Stop the negativity on a man you know nothing about.

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I can assure you i have a sense of humour about people ok but not on this particular issue. Wealth is fine until you start behaving in a self indulgent manner and flaunting it ie. broadcasting how you've just bought your latest Ferrari and it cost $5M and making sure all the papers and news media are there to cover it. A figure that most people will never see in their lifetime. That is not nice, it's pretty nauseating to most people.

I like Eric's music and have quite a few of his albums. But i became soured by his over the top and crass behaviour as regards possessions, like expensive art and $3.5M watches and Ferrari cars.

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