it's probably been lost in translation through the ages, ...
but were hurting sensei you work us too hard,
horting I'll give you horting, horting's what it's all about, without hort there is no.........

I should really stop now shouldn't I, yeah I'll get my coat

This is my definition of 'the blues':

1983: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaQ99ZdvYkE

1937: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVgH9JqSnQ

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I am now beginning to see why Ginger Baker could never get along with Jack Bruce...what fun this one has turned out to be...

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All Americans recently came from some where else. And a lot of its music has roots from some where else.

From wiki;

"Bluegrass music is a form of American roots music, and a sub-genre of country music. Bluegrass was inspired by the music of Appalachia.[1] It has mixed roots in Scottish, Irish and English[2] traditional music, and also later influenced by the music of African-Americans[3] through incorporation of jazz elements.

Immigrants from Great Britain and Ireland arrived in Appalachia in the 18th century, and brought with them the musical traditions of their homelands."


So if Gorgon plays traditional Scottish, Irish or English music it might just sound a lot like country or blue grass.

all music comes from somewhere, by that definition all music comes from Africa and the rest of us should just shut up, including (and especially) our Scottish friend.

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I agree with your assessment, but by the Gorgon Standard, he could not call himself a bluegrass or country musician, since he is not a part of that original group of Appalacian musicians. Remember, the Gorgon Standard states that the only true "bluesmen" are from Mississippi or Texas; therefore, only Appalacian Hillbillys can claim to be Bluegrassmen or Country & Westernmen.

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they also have to escape lynchings and dirt poor poverty. Oh and they must be black, that one is important.

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From there or the deep south in general i said. That's the truth. If you were a bluesman it was a way of life.

Is EC a bluesman SA? This is it nowadays; snotty middle class guys that have never had to suffer in their life, or ever had to work in a back breaking job, are now qualified to be "bluesmen"

All these guys from around that era in the british invasion thing were like that: they were all spoon fed middle class art school types who had such heartbreak and angst in their soul they felt compelled to sing the blues. It wasn't genuine. I told you about the program i saw where the lead singer of a massive 60's rock group (who still gig now i think) said it was laughable; all these middle class white boys trying to sound authentically like Muddy or the Wolf but with none of the emotion or life experience that forged that authentic sound.

A pale imitation of the real thing.

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Yet again Gorgon, nobody is saying Eric Clapton is one of the 'original bluesman'. But the fact remains, he often plays a style of music commonly known as 'the blues'.

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Every skill or art form that doesn't die evolves.

By your standard, there have been no "true, genuine" shepherds since Cain killed Abel. Since Abel originated the profession and had no children, he was the one and only. Everyone since has been a poor substitute and has deluded themselves by saying they are a shepherd. 

We all know that's ridiculous.

By your standard, since Michelangelo didn't make cave paintings in France (amongst the earliest visual art), he did not qualify as a painter or an artist...he had some sort of painting or artistic "skill", but he was neither painter nor artist (by your standard).

Ridiculous again.

By extension, the originators of blues were in Northern Mississippi, the Mississippi Delta (which are two distinct geographical regions and styles of blues), the Piedmont area, the New Orleans area and the Dallas/Fort Worth-Houston Axis (your initial analysis was wrong when you said only Texas or Mississippi Delta). However, since the artform did not die with those originators, but evolved by new practitioners and new stylists, it is proper to call these descendants "Bluesmen".

By the strictest adherence to your standard, even Muddy Waters, T-Bone Walker, Eddie "Guitar Slim" Jones, BB King and Howling Wolf could not be considered Bluesmen, because they left the original areas they lived in, then modified, electrified and expanded the music into something different. The artform evolved.

If we ignore the relocation and electrification disqualifications, upon your thinking, even second generation players that were embraced by their forebears, such as Buddy Guy and Otis Rush, are not bluesmen (even though they started out playing acoustic guitars and they were poor African-Americans) because they weren't playing Delta or Texas-style acoustic blues; they played a new, rawer and wilder form (West Side Blues).

Admittedly, it might have been laughable for a British schoolboy to sing about cotton fields, but their ability to mimic the artform and (eventually) adapt it to their own abilities and experiences gave way to a new style. Thus, "British Blues" was born...and yes, Eric Clapton (at times) can be classified as a "British Bluesman".

...somewhat akin to a person choosing to identify their familial/racial/ethnic origins as well as their natural-born nationality (such as "African-American") (even if that person has never been to Africa) or a person being classified or identified by the  era in which they lived ("Renaissance Sculptor"), even though that is being denoted from our modern perspective.

Strict, close-minded purists and traditionalists have always doomed the artform they claim to love and claim to be protecting by making it inaccessible to all but whom they deem worthy...thank goodness more people are willing to allow blues to grow with the (respective) times than you are...

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One final thing: Anyone who says Johnny Winter isn't a Bluesman is a damn fool. The man sings blues, plays blues, lives blues and will die blues. Muddy Waters called him "his son"...Johnny Winters IS a Bluesman, hands down.

...and the last time I checked, he's so white that he's almost transparent. He grew up in Beaumont, Texas...a hick town if there ever was one.

Therefore, if an exception must be made for him, exceptions of varying degrees of variance must be made for all other blues musicians, no matter their age, race or origin.

No black, no white, just blues.

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