What's your definition of the blues?

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:00 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Gorgon wrote:

The only real bluesmen were the guys from the Delta and Texas areas

Yeah, because no blues ever came out of Louisiana (Buddy Guy) or North Mississippi (RL Burnside), or the Piedmont/Carolinas (too many to mention) or Chicago or Detroit or Memphis or Helena, Arkansas or...

Memphis chicago detroit, all these area are places where the music and musicians migrated to. As in Muddy Waters moving to Chicago, also Buddy Guy.

The music came from the Mississippi Delta area and that's where it's roots come from.

I'm sure i said the deep south in one of my posts?

The fact is in places like Chicago blues migrated there, it never came from there.

If you can't understand what i'm talking about then read Alan Lomax's book.

http://www.openculture.com/2011/10/legendary_folklorist_alan_lomax_the_land_where_the_blues_began.html

strings10927 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:08 am

Keep in mind, O.P. was "what's your definition of the blues", not "what's your definition of a 'bluesman". Yes, the blues itself can be broken down to a formula (which is often augmented, but remains basically the same) and a technique. It's not magic.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:10 am

Gorgon wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Gorgon wrote:

The only real bluesmen were the guys from the Delta and Texas areas

Yeah, because no blues ever came out of Louisiana (Buddy Guy) or North Mississippi (RL Burnside), or the Piedmont/Carolinas (too many to mention) or Chicago or Detroit or Memphis or Helena, Arkansas or...

Memphis chicago detroit, all these area are places where the music and musicians migrated to. As in Muddy Waters moving to Chicago, also Buddy Guy.
The music came from the Mississippi Delta area and that's where it's roots come from.
I'm sure i said the deep south in one of my posts?
The fact is in places like Chicago blues migrated there, it never came from there.
If you can't understand what i'm talking about then read Alan Lomax's book.
http://www.openculture.com/2011/10/legendary_folklorist_alan_lomax_the_land_where_the_blues_began.html

In that case, the answer is "Africa".

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:13 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

In that case, the answer is "Africa".

Eh! No! The roots of the music did come from Africa, but it was nowhere near recognisable as the form of blues that was played by Charlie Patton, Son House etc. That only developed in the deep south of the country, around the Mississippi delta area and then the roots of the music moved to the areas you mentioned and spread out.

strings10927 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:49 am

Gorgon, what styles of music are you entitled to play as a person from Glasgow?

You can forget about:

Grunge - you aren't from America.
Rock & Roll - you aren't from America.
Jazz - you aren't from America.
Country - you aren't from America.
Bluegrass - you aren't from America.
R&B - you aren't from America.
Metal - you aren't from America.
Punk - you aren't from America.
Rap/Hip Hop - you aren't from America.
Surf Music - you aren't from America.

Are you sure you want to limit yourself like that?

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:03 am

strings10927 wrote:

Gorgon, what styles of music are you entitled to play as a person from Glasgow?

Any kind if you like it. But playing blues does not mean you're a bluesman. Maybe you need to read the link to the Alan Lomax book as well and get the book.

The area of the mississippi delata spawned the original bluesmen. The experiences of that time and place moulded them and the music into what it became.

If you can't see that then i can't help you.

strings10927 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:07 am

Gorgon wrote:

strings10927 wrote:

Gorgon, what styles of music are you entitled to play as a person from Glasgow?

Any kind if you like it. But playing blues does not mean you're a bluesman. Maybe you need to read the link to the Alan Lomax book as well and get the book.

Maybe you need to read the original question again:

What's your definition of the blues?

not What's your definition of a 'bluesman'?

"The Blues" is commonly accepted as a musical style. "A Bluesman" is not a musical style as far as I know.

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:15 am

strings10927 wrote:

Gorgon wrote:

strings10927 wrote:

Gorgon, what styles of music are you entitled to play as a person from Glasgow?

Any kind if you like it. But playing blues does not mean you're a bluesman. Maybe you need to read the link to the Alan Lomax book as well and get the book.

Maybe you need to read the original question again:

What's your definition of the blues?

not What's your definition of a 'bluesman'?

"The Blues" is commonly accepted as a musical style. "A Bluesman" is not a musical style as far as I know.

well now you're getting into semantics.

If you look up blues on google you'll get wikipedia deining it as i've said; a style of music played by black musicians from the mississippi delta area.

That's my definition of blues.

strings10927 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:35 am

Gorgon wrote:

If you look up blues on google you'll get wikipedia deining it as i've said; a style of music played by black musicians from the mississippi delta area.

Actually, I don't see that anywhere in the Wikipedia entry:

"Blues" on Wikipedia

Also, you should keep in mind, anyone can author Wikipedia entries, it's not done by a a team of infallible scholars, it's done by Internet users like you and me. :idea:

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:42 am

strings10927 wrote:

Gorgon wrote:

If you look up blues on google you'll get wikipedia deining it as i've said; a style of music played by black musicians from the mississippi delta area.

Actually, I don't see that anywhere in the Wikipedia entry:

"Blues" on Wikipedia

Also, you should keep in mind, anyone can author Wikipedia entries, it's not done by a a team of infallible scholars, it's done by Internet users like you and me. :idea:

Strings, I think he won't give up, so it might be best just to let him "win"...just like the "Toppscore Has Been Banned" thread that wouldn't end (because Brad wouldn't bow down to him and say he was right), he has his personal, limited idea that he refuses to examine or budge from at all.

You win, Gorgon. There are only two or three true "bluesmen" left, and they'll die soon, so they'll all be gone. Thank you for setting us straight. The lifetime I have spent near one of the epicenters you mentioned---listening to, reading about, talking to the originators of, and playing my favorite musical artform has taught me nothing. It took a hardheaded Scotsman to set me straight.

Thank God you're here to help me!

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Strings, I think he won't give up, so it might be best just to let him "win"...just like the "Toppscore Has Been Banned" thread that wouldn't end (because Brad wouldn't bow down to him and say he was right), he has his personal, limited idea that he refuses to examine or budge from at all.

Not at all. Why shoul i budge from my opinion when it is a fact?

The blues began as a type of music played by former african slaves or their decendants who mainly were in the mississippi delta. They then moved to Chicago etc. later on.

But that was later on. The music originated in the deep south.

Now blues music nowadays is played all over the place. But the fact remains that the original music was played by who i indicated where i indicated.

If i'm wrong tell me how i'm wrong.

Now to the Toppscore thing: Brad was never in a position to bow down to me. i never asked him to, i never asked him to do anything. I've never even spoken to him by email and he remains a name on the internet.

You on the other hand probably have had many dealings with Brad; reporting people and trying to get them banned etc. Certainly many of your cohorts did as they don't seem to have anything more constructive to do with their time.

Same thing with imisssrv/fenderguy1; a daft lad who if anything was a little too enthusiastic about things. He gets banned too.

No need for it and it diminishes the forum.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:26 pm

Gorgon wrote:

You on the other hand probably have had many dealings with Brad; reporting people and trying to get them banned etc. Certainly many of your cohorts did as they don't seem to have anything more constructive to do with their time.
Same thing with imisssrv/fenderguy1; a daft lad who if anything was a little too enthusiastic about things. He gets banned too.
No need for it and it diminishes the forum.

The only direct dealings I have had with Mr Traweek was to confirm whether a guitar I bought had formerly belonged to him (it had).

I have hit the "report" button for spammers, and that's all. I have lamented the presence of certain Purveyors of Jackassery and Douchebaggery, but they generally go on my "Ignore" list; I have never "reported" a fellow Forumite directly to Brad.

I have no cohorts. I wish I did, because it would make my horting easier.

Oh, but wait--you told me I have reported and/or attempted to ban people, so I guess I'm wrong...the Gorg hath spoken!

Gorgon · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:32 pm

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

The only direct dealings I have had with Mr Traweek was to confirm whether a guitar I bought had formerly belonged to him (it had).

I have hit the "report" button for spammers, and that's all. I have lamented the presence of certain Purveyors of Jackassery and Douchebaggery, but they generally go on my "Ignore" list; I have never "reported" a fellow Forumite directly to Brad.

I have no cohorts. I wish I did, because it would make my horting easier.

Oh, but wait--you told me I have reported and/or attempted to ban people, so I guess I'm wrong...the Gorg hath spoken!

Well i take it back then as it pertains to you. But the fact remains that guys like toppscore leant a different fresh slant to the forum and it diminishes it when we have the same old fogeys reporting guys like him to Brad.

I don't even think Brad thought what he did was that bad. It was just he got sick of people moaning in his ear.

ripitup555 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:47 pm

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I have no cohorts. I wish I did, because it would make my horting easier.

the mind boggles, there's probably a cream of sorts for that type of thing, and probably brings out the Blues in the most severe cases I'd imagine.
quick google (Horting is a form of martial arts) whooda thunk

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:57 pm

ripitup555 wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I have no cohorts. I wish I did, because it would make my horting easier.

the mind boggles, there's probably a cream of sorts for that type of thing, and probably brings out the Blues in the most severe cases I'd imagine.
quick google (Horting is a form of martial arts) whooda thunk

Did not know that "horting" was a martial arts discipline. I'll be danged!

I was just making a goofy pun...

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