Johnny Winter is not a bluesman and never was a bluesman. He plays a lot of blues but he plays rock n roll and loads of different types of things. He played with Muddy Waters that doess not make him a bluesman.

Quote from wikipedia:
"The British and blues musicians of the early 1960s inspired a number of American blues rock fusion performers, including Canned Heat, the early Jefferson Airplane, Janis Joplin, Johnny Winter, The J. Geils Band, Ry Cooder, and The Allman Brothers Band."

His big hit Rock n roll Hoochie Koo was a rock tune never a blues tune. He was heavily blues influenced but was never a bluesman.

Muddy Waters called him his son I know that, what the hell has that got to do with the price of fish? ok Muddy called him his son, must mean he's a bluesman!

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George Van Eps.

When was the last time you were in Texas, or do you even know what a "Delta" is?

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Gary

I'm out. I can't handle this liberal $@! Gorgan anymore.

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Gary

I'm very liberal, and you seem to handle me just fine.

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What's that got to do with it? that's really pertinent to the debate isn't it whether i've been to Texas or not

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Luck won't do it and ignorance can't

George Van Eps.

Yes it is!

Your basing your take's on what you read on the internet, and are so ignorant to the real life of somewhere you have never been.

It's like me talking about whatever music yall created in your country and acting like I know it's history. But of course, your an expert on the blues.

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Gary

It would be like someone in California talking about DC hardcore.

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1967 Kingston Acoustic

Irrelevant to the debate. Whether i've ever been a tourist and visited Texas doesn't mean anything. I could have been to Texas and know nothing about the blues or music in general.

As far as being ignorant i've been studying the genre since i began playing. You are making sweeping statements and accusations.

I've studied the history of the music all the way from people here impersonating it badly to the Buddy Guy's and Magic Sam's and back through Earl Hooker and further back through Lightnin' Hopkins, Rev Gary Davis, Brownie McGhee and Sonny Terry all the way back to Charlie Patton and Son House and Leadbelly and Blind Lemon.

Hell i know more about the history of the music than you do probably! and you call me ignorant.

You probably think blues began and ended with the Vaughan brothers!

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Luck won't do it and ignorance can't

George Van Eps.

"The blues ain't nothin' but a good man feelin' bad, thinkin' 'bout the woman he once was with." - Crossroads

game, set, match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS7MkEf ... ature=plcp

Exactly!

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Gary

Eh! no! not exactly. You made a statement saying i was ignorant of the subject and i indicate that since i began playing the guitar at 16 i've been studying and reading about blues history. Then you tell me because i didn't visit Texas i don't know anything about it. Your comments are misleading and absurd.

I've probably done more reading on blues history and folklore than you have. I've read Stephen Calt's book on Charlie Patton, some of Gayle Dean Wardlow's books as well plus Alan Lomax's books. Plus many others. How ami ignorant of the subject?

It is you who are showing an ignorance. Do you know anything about blues history? It doesn't begin and end with Buddy Guy and the Vaughan brothers.

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Luck won't do it and ignorance can't

George Van Eps.

I don't know everything.

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Gary

Nor me, but i am not ignorant of the subject. I may hold a view of the thing that is different to SA or yourself, but that doesn't mean i'm ignorant of the subject.

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Luck won't do it and ignorance can't

George Van Eps.

A "View", and knowledge are two different things. You have a view, IE, perception of the blues, but you cannot possibly understand the roots of blues from across the big pond unless your from here. Therefore, you are ignorant and should of never brought Texas into this, never being here.

Don't mess with Texas.

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Gary

I've got a helluva lot more knowledge about the history of the blues genre than you've got that's for sure.

What have you studied about the blues what books on blues folklore have you read? probably none.

I surmise that your knowledge of blues is of the SRV, Eric Clapton level, and doesn't go much deeper than that.

It just won't cut it you have to get right back to the plantations and the very roots of the music and the musicians and how they lived. You can't have an understanding of that when your level of knowledge is superficial.

So let's have it; what have you studied to make you educated about the blues? Have you even heard of Alan Lomax and his field trips and where he went to study blues and who he recorded? What about Gayle Dean Wardlow's works? which of those have you read?

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Luck won't do it and ignorance can't

George Van Eps.