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Should Rolling Stone called John Mayer a guitar hero
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I wanted to wait a while before I made up my mind on this issue. I think that Mayer will be more remembered as a singer-songwriter than he will as a guitarist. Yes, the man has got some amazing chops; no, I don't think that he should be considered a blues guitarist; yes, he should feel as though he is accepted as a fabulous guitarist in the guitar playing world; no, he should not be on the level of heroism or individuality or inovation that Stevie Ray and Hendrix and Clapton were and are.




But, hey, what happens happens, ya know??? 8)


I still think it's too early to judge JM on how he'll be remembered. He's got a long career to go. I remember after Layla and other Love Songs EC disappeared into a heroin fog. A lot of us thought he was done. Another 60's blues rocker to fade into obscurity. Now he's a legend. Wait till JM's in his 50 or 60's. He might be a legend too.
Yeah, but by Dereck and the Dominoes Eric had already been with with The Yardbirds, John Mayall and Cream. Plus he worked with the Beatles. If EC had dissapeared, he'd have left a legacy bigger tha Hendrix. If John Mayer were to dissapear, his Mom would be terribly worried, but no one else would notice.


I don't think thats a reflection on JM. It's more a point of there are no great blues/rock bands these days. If there were, JM would be in a few of em. Eric had the advatage of being there at the beggining of a genre. Were Eric to release his first album today kids would be screaming he's slow and he's no SRV.

Eric strarted that Blues resurgance. The flip side of "For Your Love" was a blues nuber that EC had to talk the Yardbirds into releasing. That number inspired John MAyall to steal him and the subsequent success of the Beano album promted the Beck era Yardbirds ,ironicly, to embrace the blues. Even Bonnie and Delany enjoyed a marked rise in success, and Eric was hiding for that one. I feel if Mayer had that intangible "IT" he would be infuencing pop music.
If I was going to advise John Mayer on a Career move, I'd tell him to back away from the Blues, and get into that New York street Jazz. He's got a real feel for that. I seen him on PBS with Paul Simon playing stuff like "Late In The Evening", and you could tell, he was in his Pocket. The Miles Davis-esqu lines just flowed from him. He really complimented Simons Street Basker style.

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FirstMeasure wrote:
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I wanted to wait a while before I made up my mind on this issue. I think that Mayer will be more remembered as a singer-songwriter than he will as a guitarist. Yes, the man has got some amazing chops; no, I don't think that he should be considered a blues guitarist; yes, he should feel as though he is accepted as a fabulous guitarist in the guitar playing world; no, he should not be on the level of heroism or individuality or inovation that Stevie Ray and Hendrix and Clapton were and are.




But, hey, what happens happens, ya know??? 8)


I still think it's too early to judge JM on how he'll be remembered. He's got a long career to go. I remember after Layla and other Love Songs EC disappeared into a heroin fog. A lot of us thought he was done. Another 60's blues rocker to fade into obscurity. Now he's a legend. Wait till JM's in his 50 or 60's. He might be a legend too.
Yeah, but by Dereck and the Dominoes Eric had already been with with The Yardbirds, John Mayall and Cream. Plus he worked with the Beatles. If EC had dissapeared, he'd have left a legacy bigger tha Hendrix. If John Mayer were to dissapear, his Mom would be terribly worried, but no one else would notice.


I don't think thats a reflection on JM. It's more a point of there are no great blues/rock bands these days. If there were, JM would be in a few of em. Eric had the advatage of being there at the beggining of a genre. Were Eric to release his first album today kids would be screaming he's slow and he's no SRV.

Eric strarted that Blues resurgance. The flip side of "For Your Love" was a blues nuber that EC had to talk the Yardbirds into releasing. That number inspired John MAyall to steal him and the subsequent success of the Beano album promted the Beck era Yardbirds ,ironicly, to embrace the blues. Even Bonnie and Delany enjoyed a marked rise in success, and Eric was hiding for that one. I feel if Mayer had that intangible "IT" he would be infuencing pop music.
If I was going to advise John Mayer on a Career move, I'd tell him to back away from the Blues, and get into that New York street Jazz. He's got a real feel for that. I seen him on PBS with Paul Simon playing stuff like "Late In The Evening", and you could tell, he was in his Pocket. The Miles Davis-esqu lines just flowed from him. He really complimented Simons Street Basker style.


I'm not quite sure, but I think JM was jazzy as a student at Berklee. You're right, he's got the touch for that. I really think JM is more skilled then he gets credit for. I'm also not convinced he'll ever be a great bluesman, but I"m certain he's one hell of a guitar player.

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FirstMeasure wrote:
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I wanted to wait a while before I made up my mind on this issue. I think that Mayer will be more remembered as a singer-songwriter than he will as a guitarist. Yes, the man has got some amazing chops; no, I don't think that he should be considered a blues guitarist; yes, he should feel as though he is accepted as a fabulous guitarist in the guitar playing world; no, he should not be on the level of heroism or individuality or inovation that Stevie Ray and Hendrix and Clapton were and are.




But, hey, what happens happens, ya know??? 8)


I still think it's too early to judge JM on how he'll be remembered. He's got a long career to go. I remember after Layla and other Love Songs EC disappeared into a heroin fog. A lot of us thought he was done. Another 60's blues rocker to fade into obscurity. Now he's a legend. Wait till JM's in his 50 or 60's. He might be a legend too.
Yeah, but by Dereck and the Dominoes Eric had already been with with The Yardbirds, John Mayall and Cream. Plus he worked with the Beatles. If EC had dissapeared, he'd have left a legacy bigger tha Hendrix. If John Mayer were to dissapear, his Mom would be terribly worried, but no one else would notice.


I don't think thats a reflection on JM. It's more a point of there are no great blues/rock bands these days. If there were, JM would be in a few of em. Eric had the advatage of being there at the beggining of a genre. Were Eric to release his first album today kids would be screaming he's slow and he's no SRV.

Eric strarted that Blues resurgance. The flip side of "For Your Love" was a blues nuber that EC had to talk the Yardbirds into releasing. That number inspired John MAyall to steal him and the subsequent success of the Beano album promted the Beck era Yardbirds ,ironicly, to embrace the blues. Even Bonnie and Delany enjoyed a marked rise in success, and Eric was hiding for that one. I feel if Mayer had that intangible "IT" he would be infuencing pop music.
If I was going to advise John Mayer on a Career move, I'd tell him to back away from the Blues, and get into that New York street Jazz. He's got a real feel for that. I seen him on PBS with Paul Simon playing stuff like "Late In The Evening", and you could tell, he was in his Pocket. The Miles Davis-esqu lines just flowed from him. He really complimented Simons Street Basker style.


I'm not quite sure, but I think JM was jazzy as a student at Berklee. You're right, he's got the touch for that. I really think JM is more skilled then he gets credit for. I'm also not convinced he'll ever be a great bluesman, but I"m certain he's one hell of a guitar player.

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cryingstrat wrote:
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I wanted to wait a while before I made up my mind on this issue. I think that Mayer will be more remembered as a singer-songwriter than he will as a guitarist. Yes, the man has got some amazing chops; no, I don't think that he should be considered a blues guitarist; yes, he should feel as though he is accepted as a fabulous guitarist in the guitar playing world; no, he should not be on the level of heroism or individuality or inovation that Stevie Ray and Hendrix and Clapton were and are.




But, hey, what happens happens, ya know??? 8)


I still think it's too early to judge JM on how he'll be remembered. He's got a long career to go. I remember after Layla and other Love Songs EC disappeared into a heroin fog. A lot of us thought he was done. Another 60's blues rocker to fade into obscurity. Now he's a legend. Wait till JM's in his 50 or 60's. He might be a legend too.
Yeah, but by Dereck and the Dominoes Eric had already been with with The Yardbirds, John Mayall and Cream. Plus he worked with the Beatles. If EC had dissapeared, he'd have left a legacy bigger tha Hendrix. If John Mayer were to dissapear, his Mom would be terribly worried, but no one else would notice.


I don't think thats a reflection on JM. It's more a point of there are no great blues/rock bands these days. If there were, JM would be in a few of em. Eric had the advatage of being there at the beggining of a genre. Were Eric to release his first album today kids would be screaming he's slow and he's no SRV.

Eric strarted that Blues resurgance. The flip side of "For Your Love" was a blues nuber that EC had to talk the Yardbirds into releasing. That number inspired John MAyall to steal him and the subsequent success of the Beano album promted the Beck era Yardbirds ,ironicly, to embrace the blues. Even Bonnie and Delany enjoyed a marked rise in success, and Eric was hiding for that one. I feel if Mayer had that intangible "IT" he would be infuencing pop music.
If I was going to advise John Mayer on a Career move, I'd tell him to back away from the Blues, and get into that New York street Jazz. He's got a real feel for that. I seen him on PBS with Paul Simon playing stuff like "Late In The Evening", and you could tell, he was in his Pocket. The Miles Davis-esqu lines just flowed from him. He really complimented Simons Street Basker style.


I'm not quite sure, but I think JM was jazzy as a student at Berklee. You're right, he's got the touch for that. I really think JM is more skilled then he gets credit for. I'm also not convinced he'll ever be a great bluesman, but I"m certain he's one hell of a guitar player.

He's good all right. His schooling is his strength and his weekness. He's been tought music so much, he can't play outside the rules. And blues, or any folk music, barely acknowledges the rules.

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Rules? There's rules? Wow. I've been screwing up! :shock: :lol:

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Rules? There's rules? Wow. I've been screwing up! :shock: :lol:
, No, there's not, but Music School will leave you with the impression that there is.

It's called "Music Theory" because they could be wrong. But most students forget that.

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Rules? There's rules? Wow. I've been screwing up! :shock: :lol:
, No, there's not, but Music School will leave you with the impression that there is.

It's called "Music Theory" because they could be wrong. But most students forget that.


Yeah, I've met musicians who can spend all day in self-important conversation about theory. I'd rather be the guy who just jams and doesn't care if maybe a 5th would help there or dropping the 3rd might help over there.

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Rules? There's rules? Wow. I've been screwing up! :shock: :lol:
, No, there's not, but Music School will leave you with the impression that there is.

It's called "Music Theory" because they could be wrong. But most students forget that.


Yeah, I've met musicians who can spend all day in self-important conversation about theory. I'd rather be the guy who just jams and doesn't care if maybe a 5th would help there or dropping the 3rd might help over there.

Exactly. I like to be able to explain what I just did. But I don't think about what I'm going to do.

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Here is an awesome video for all the non JM haters out there.

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a lack of true guitar heroes, perhaps?


I would say that you hit the nail on the head. When you don't have true Guitar Hero's out there, the bar gets lowered. John Mayer is a good player, but in my opinion he is not a hero......yet


when hes been playing for 20 + years, creates a new genre, excells past slash or Van Halen...then he'll earn the accolade.

To me, as of right now, he's not that unique or terrific. Quite frankly I'm not even sure why he has a Signature Strat and Keith Richards still hasn't got a Signature Tele.

He's a good artist but he's by no measure phenominal

Slash is a guitar hero
Eddie Van Halen is a guitar hero
Hendrix was a guitar hero
Cobain (god rest his soul) was a guitar hero

They do not need to be the most technically skilled players, I think it goes beyond that. Although some of them were truly technical virtuosos.

It's influence on music, cultural impact, integrity, etc.

not popularity, which just happens to accomadate guitar heros (as well as those labeled as such who are not there yet)

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i think he is. i like him


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He's one of the younger "guitare heros" but it's all relative.
What's a guitar hero? One who is the shredder from the lord?
One who plays less but sets the notes there where they should and with much feel?....
It's individual thing for everyone.


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John Mayer is an excelent musican in my book. having said that he is not great as some of my other heroes such as SRV, Hendrix ,the three kings but i belive he is underrated

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You know what I think? I think people should stop letting magazines dictate to them who is a guitar "god" and who is not. People seem to think it's such a big deal that Rolling Stone said this, as if Rolling Stone is the final authority on all that is music. Personally, yes, I'm "pro-John" so to speak, but I also think we all have our respective guitar gods; the people who inspired us to do what brought us all to these forums in the first place-- pick up a guitar and play the hell out of it. If Mayer is doing this to people at a time when few others in his position are, so be it. We can be happy that someone in the public eye is slinging a Fender on the magazine covers.


On the less serious side of things, it's a bit funny, some of the arguments people have started here and youtube and such. People argue "blah blah blah, Mayer's a hack, what about Frusciante, Derek Trucks, etc etc". It seems that people forget this article wasn't JUST about Mayer. Or maybe they didn't even read it. Or maybe they're just mad that Mayer is right side up in the picture and the others are up side down. I truly think a lot of people who get so worked up about this article have not read it in its entirety. The article spotlights many up and coming "guitar gods", and is titled The NEW Guitar Gods, hence such artists as Trucks, Frusciante, and Mayer on the cover as opposed to SRV and Clapton. People fail to realize that this isn't even a ranking article. No one declared Mayer the top guitar slinger of all time. It's a showcase of 20 different artists who Rolling Stone sees as keeping guitar in the limelight.

I think people need to be less caught up on comparisons and competitions and be more focused on what it's really all about: Music.


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