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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:26 am
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I'm stuck between my two favourite basists:

NIKKI SIXX - DRUGGIE
GENE SIMMONS - NOT DRUGGIE

I can't answer that question.

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Post subject: Re: Drugs with musicians
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:01 pm
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There are lots of rockstars out there who do drugs or get drunk. What do u guys think of that?


I think it's fine if they don't use drugs. Don't know anyone who only likes bands that do drugs. I'm pretty sure no one here thinks drugs are mandatory for rock n roll. But I gotta tell ya, they've had a whole lot to do with it......and a lot of that was very good as well as horribly bad. Playng devils advocate, there would have been no Sgt. Pepper. No Stairway to Heaven. No Dark Side of the Moon. No Physical Graffiti. No Purple Haze. No Smells like Teen Spirit.


so are you staying that the drugs are what made the beatles, zeplin, pink floyd, hendrix and kurt cobain the genuis' they where?? Is cocain what made SRV the great player he was? I dont think so he was amazing after the drungs, and so was clapton


I'm saying that for good or for bad, the Beatles wouldn't have made Revolver, Magical Mystery Tour or Sgt. Pepper if it wasn't for pot and LSD. It's just the truth. I know you don't like it but there it is anyway.

No, cocaine had nothing to do with SRV's guitar playing. He was great without it. The Beatles were great before they took drugs. They were also great after.

Kobain was a "genius" because of who he was...a drug addicted, manic depressive person who vented thru music. If he was straight you'd have never heard of him. He wouldn't have had the pain to write about. I lived in Seattle during the grunge years. Those bands were high. So was their audience. It's just a fact.

Clapton had his booze years, his party years, his born again Christian year, his heroin addict years (which gave us Layla and other assorted love songs, arguably his greatest work) All if it had an influence on his work.

Pink Floyd would have never been famous without the drug culture. The music was geared towards pot smokers and trippers. I was there. I remember. It wasn't the straight kids listening to Pink Floyd. It was the stoners.

To deny that rock has been fueled in large part by drugs is to put your head in the sand. Again, I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that that's the way it is.

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:17 pm
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flamekaster wrote:
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There are lots of rockstars out there who do drugs or get drunk. What do u guys think of that?


I think it's fine if they don't use drugs. Don't know anyone who only likes bands that do drugs. I'm pretty sure no one here thinks drugs are mandatory for rock n roll. But I gotta tell ya, they've had a whole lot to do with it......and a lot of that was very good as well as horribly bad. Playng devils advocate, there would have been no Sgt. Pepper. No Stairway to Heaven. No Dark Side of the Moon. No Physical Graffiti. No Purple Haze. No Smells like Teen Spirit.


so are you staying that the drugs are what made the beatles, zeplin, pink floyd, hendrix and kurt cobain the genuis' they where?? Is cocain what made SRV the great player he was? I dont think so he was amazing after the drungs, and so was clapton

That's just what I was going to say.

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On the topic subject, When I started playing I noticed a lot of players who partied couldn't play when sober. It wasn't because the drugs or alcohol made them play better, and now the potion is gone. They can't play because the connection the guitar has to the addiction they broke. I made the decission to Party when I partied, and Play when I played. If the guitar was out, one or two beer for the night. If I went to party, my guitar was at home, because I partied to hard for guitar saftey. When I stopped partying, I played more, and better. I learned Theory, and expanded my horizons to Madolin, Keyboad, and Songcrafting. Drugs don't do anything but get you high, Perfect Practice makes Musicians Great. Intrest in Theater, Literature, Film, Art, Philosophy and Physical Science (like the beatles) will do a lot more for your playing than doing too much lithium, or listening to Timonthy Leary's advice. That guy was an "F"ing Idiot.
Let's not forget bands like Frigid Pink, the Leaves, Iron Butterfly, et al. Acid didn't do them any favors. You could tell when the Greatful Dead were sober because they sounded good. I strongly believe that Sgt. Pepper, and revolver would have been just as ground breaking and just as revolutionary if they were taking Mini Thins instead of Micro Dots. The popuolations distaste for the Vietnam War, American McCarthyism, and Post War English Empirialism was the driving factors behind the Revolution of the 60's, acid was introduced to derail the Peace Process.

(edit after postin-sorry this is such a hard to read mess, I hit submit instead of preview :oops: )

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I agree with what First Measure said. Also with Kobain, I think having the issues he did and his disease of addiction did fuel something for songwriting.

But there are plenty of other circumstances that can have an equally strong effect on songwriting besides drugs. For example, Look at Megadeth. I believe that him getting kicked from Metallica, and all the emotions that that has caused him over the years has made him an excellent song writer

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I agree with much of what your saying. But I don't agree that Revolver and Sgt. Pepper would have been just as good. They wouldn't have even been written. The Beatles would have gone in a different direction. Maybe to more fame, maybe to obscurity.

I would never say that drugs make anyone a better musician. That's just crap. Natural talent and hard work make better musicians.

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Drugs were there, but I don't think they were the reason things were happening.

John Lennon, until the day he died, insisted that the Lucy/LSD thing was a coincidence, and he was plenty open about his drug habits.


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cryingstrat wrote:
I agree with much of what your saying. But I don't agree that Revolver and Sgt. Pepper would have been just as good. They wouldn't have even been written. The Beatles would have gone in a different direction. Maybe to more fame, maybe to obscurity.

I would never say that drugs make anyone a better musician. That's just crap. Natural talent and hard work make better musicians.

Of course, we're just soothsaying now, but I think they would have been written, but very differently. The Showband influences would have been explored, the silly english fairy-folk would have spawned octopus's garden, and Yellow Submarine. Ringo went into Childrens Television in the 80's, that's where the playful Childish side comes from, not dosing. The anger comes from Johns hatred of war, the Structure comes from George, and the Love Songs are Pual's influence. Without the Acid, there would heve been less Echo, less Reverb, and some better segues.

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