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I don't know about anybody else, but I prefer the old stuff to the contemporary music, it has more soul to it I think.


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Define 'old stuff' and 'contemporary' (examples?)


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Old stuff I consider the hymns. I was initially raised in a Reformed church where we only did hymns. The church I go to now does more new music than anything else (i.e. Open the eyes of my heart, Days of Elijah, Shout to The Lord, etc) Why?


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sulley107 wrote:
I don't know about anybody else, but I prefer the old stuff to the contemporary music, it has more soul to it I think.

I tend to agree with you about the "soul" thing. A lot of music used in church now is commercial music plain and simple. I mean, just look at the licensing issues you have to deal with just to sing a new praise song to God.


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I don't know about anybody else, but I prefer the old stuff to the contemporary music, it has more soul to it I think.

I tend to agree with you about the "soul" thing. A lot of music used in church now is commercial music plain and simple. I mean, just look at the licensing issues you have to deal with just to sing a new praise song to God.


Thank you, my point exactly.


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I prefer contemperary, but my church does all hymns on Sunday. But I do get to do contemperary stuff at youth group, so it's ok I guess...

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A lot of churches are sporting the dual music thing.


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A lot of churches are sporting the dual music thing.

lol. The last church I attended did that. Result: no one was happy with the music - except maybe me (I like it all).

This is probably a bad place to say this but I think that when music becomes a source of contention it's time to stop singing and start praying. ;)


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riversitter wrote:
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A lot of churches are sporting the dual music thing.

lol. The last church I attended did that. Result: no one was happy with the music - except maybe me (I like it all).

This is probably a bad place to say this but I think that when music becomes a source of contention it's time to stop singing and start praying. ;)


My grandmother's church has a cool take on this (Episcopalian). Their VERY early service is a-capella and high litergy. They're not-quite-as-early-but-still-pretty-dang-early service is more contemporary, though not like what you'd see in many megachurches (they use a book called Gather... it's neat). Their late service is traditional with hymns, organ, and choir. It works very well for their community of faith. If you have enough people (like they do), I think that's cool. The problem is that many churches don't have the luxury of three services heh.


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A lot of churches are sporting the dual music thing.

lol. The last church I attended did that. Result: no one was happy with the music - except maybe me (I like it all).


We do a mix between old and new. The music directors says she walks a fine line between the two not wishing to upset either side.

One Sunday a month, our 'Praise Band' does the service with all contemporary selections. Guitar, bass, drums and keyboard (with an occasional flute and/or violin). The other Sundays are handled by the regular choir and the music is mostly hymns and an occasional contemporary piece. We get a lot of compliments on both. Personally, I prefer the Praise Band stuff. IMO, it's the music with more 'soul' (it invokes more emotion.) Now, I'm not saying all of it does. There's a lot of the newer stuff out there that just leaves me flat and even from a specific artist, one song will raise me up and the next will do nothing for me.

There are about 50 songs so far that I have found (searching and downloading from iTunes) that I prefer and I'm always looking for more, listening to Spirit on Sirius radio. I found 2 more over the weekend.

Now, with all that said, each of us has to find the music that means something to ourselves. If the music is not moving you inside, your performance of it will not move anyone else. This is true, I think, of all music whether its church. metal, country, classical, etc.

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Interesting discussion on the struggle between old and new music in churches.

The reason for the change is simple: people don't really believe in anything much anymore, and they don't want "faith:" they want an entertainment experience that makes them feel like they have faith. American churches have been seeing their attendance dwindle quickly over the past 30 years, and have responded with silly stuff like PowerPoint presentations and "praise bands" to stem the tide. It works to an extent.

But you're seeing The Church do what it has done every 100 years or so since they nailed Jesus up: reinvent itself to appeal to a wider audience. I remember when churches felt like quiet, reverent places. When you walk into one today, it feels like a convention center.

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ALso, the idea that there is music that isn't an expression of the mysterious "eternal" quality of human beings is what's wrong here. IMO, there's no such thing as "praise" music, considered as separate from other music. All music is a shout of praise to life, to the universe, to the endless mystery of consciousness. Kind of Blue is holier than junk like "Our God Is An Awesome God" can ever be.


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That's a big NO SIR!!!

I had religon shuved down my throat as a kid... So I do everything possible to avoid stepping inside of a church now.

That is cool if it is for you... But just not my thing bro.

Besides... the sinners are more fun!!!


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Gravity Jim wrote:
Interesting discussion on the struggle between old and new music in churches.

The reason for the change is simple: people don't really believe in anything much anymore, and they don't want "faith:" they want an entertainment experience that makes them feel like they have faith. American churches have been seeing their attendance dwindle quickly over the past 30 years, and have responded with silly stuff like PowerPoint presentations and "praise bands" to stem the tide. It works to an extent.

But you're seeing The Church do what it has done every 100 years or so since they nailed Jesus up: reinvent itself to appeal to a wider audience. I remember when churches felt like quiet, reverent places. When you walk into one today, it feels like a convention center.
Interesting statement.
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ALso, the idea that there is music that isn't an expression of the mysterious "eternal" quality of human beings is what's wrong here. IMO, there's no such thing as "praise" music, considered as separate from other music. All music is a shout of praise to life, to the universe, to the endless mystery of consciousness. Kind of Blue is holier than junk like "Our God Is An Awesome God" can ever be.
I have to disagree and agree on the second part.I disagree with theres no such thing as praise music.Example take hill song united they sing praise music like One Way Take It All,and What The World Will Never Take is what you would call praise or upbeat worship.But bands like Switch Foot, StellerKart,and all those other bands, sing about there girlfriend walking out on them is kinda like aerosmith singing Walk this way.Get my point?

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I have to disagree and agree on the second part.I disagree with theres no such thing as praise music.Example take hill song united they sing praise music like One Way Take It All,and What The World Will Never Take is what you would call praise or upbeat worship.But bands like Switch Foot, StellerKart,and all those other bands, sing about there girlfriend walking out on them is kinda like aerosmith singing Walk this way.Get my point?


No, I don't. Music is a complete expression of everything that is beautiful and mysterious about human life, so for me (a man who doesn't believe that there's an all-powerful "God" that invented us and now expects something from us) ALL music is sacred. As Aldous Huxley said, "Next to silence, music comes closest to expressing the inexpressible."


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It seems I opened a can of worms on this one. I will have to agree with some of the points given here and disagree on some (as anyone would do) I do see Gravity Jim's point on music itself being "praise music" but I can see anyone arguing that point based on intent in the lyrics. That needs to be balanced out.


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