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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:35 pm
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Since I am considering getting one, thought opinions on what works well for others would come in useful.

Ones I've seen so far in store are
the plastic Boss case which I did not like.
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/BCB-60/
and the PedalTrain
http://www.pedaltrain.com/


On-Line I've looked at the Trailer Trash boards, they look neat but seem heavy and expensive.
http://www.trailertrashpedalboards.com/

Or the other option is to try to DIY one, doesn't have to be too big
I only have 4 fx (Vox wah, Boss RT20, ts-9, a vintage Ibaniz flanger and a dunlop birck to power them all) and the amps foot-switch.

Figure almost anything might be better than the tangle they travel in now :)

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:28 pm
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I would say go with the Pedaltrain Jr, unless you plan on getting a few more pedals, then get the Pedaltrain 2. I like the Pedaltrain boards cause they are open on the bottom so you can make a clean presentation with the ability to tuck away and hide the patch and power cables. You can get some cable clips like these for the underside. Instead of velcro, I use the 3M Dual Lock which I think holds alot better. The dual lock will cost you bit more than velcro, but to me it's worth it.


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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:02 am
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i run alot of pedals and i have i took a turn table case(2 turn tables and a michrophone) and diy one. The pedal trains are cool, but i use a vht valveulator as a keey to my set up and it is a poser supply also. So i am inclined to build my own based on the fact i cant get one big enough unless i have it made any way, and i carry my oen power anyway


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:50 am
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I realize it's only my opinion from over 40+ years as a guitarist, but I use pedals VERY sparingly, if at all. Why? First off is the fact that I hate the 'pedal dance'...... anytime you need or want to change F/X you have to hit the correct pedal switch.... if you have several, you can easily miss, especially if the stage lighting is not cooperating. Second, just like other wires & floor monitors, you can trip on or over a pedalboard..... it's just one more accident waiting to happen. Third, the more pedals, the more batteries &/or connections you need to make that can increase Murphy's Law hassles as well as mess with your 'guitar to amp' signal. Lastly, I bought an amp that has quite a few F/X already on board.

I am a serious TONE-DOG & have always been a guitarist who appreciates the meaty un-processed line signal. I feel that any F/X can add a 'snotty' sound to an otherwise great tone, especially when inserting F/X that adds length and more connection jumps to the line between the guitar & the amp. (Better to use the F/X line in & out on the amp) Besides all that, I have seen guitarists buy a so-so guitar & basic amp, not get the tones they expected and end up investing more money in pedals than they have in guitar & amp...... now THAT is just dumb. If one wants REAL tone(s) to begin with, GET the guitar & amp that can produce them. (Ever see-hear a several thousand dollar sound system in a junky rusted vehicle? This is the "silk purse from a sow's ear" thing you may have heard about.) :P There is an ancient saying that applies here somehow: "The real test of a mountain climber is not just getting to the top, but getting back down in one piece." My point is simply: one less pedal is one less headache. If you've ever heard someone say: "Less is More".... I believe this is a prime example of what I'm getting at. Therefore, Caution: If you have come to NEED your pedal(s) AS much as your guitar & amp to 'get your sound'.... from my experience, overall, you are asking for more trouble than it's worth.


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:56 am
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Thats why I'm considering on buying a floor POD plus. :wink:

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:07 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:37 am
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Guitarman1117 wrote:
I realize it's only my opinion from over 40+ years as a guitarist, but I use pedals VERY sparingly, if at all. Why? First off is the fact that I hate the 'pedal dance'...... anytime you need or want to change F/X you have to hit the correct pedal switch.... if you have several, you can easily miss, especially if the stage lighting is not cooperating. Second, just like other wires & floor monitors, you can trip on or over a pedalboard..... it's just one more accident waiting to happen. Third, the more pedals, the more batteries &/or connections you need to make that can increase Murphy's Law hassles as well as mess with your 'guitar to amp' signal. Lastly, I bought an amp that has quite a few F/X already on board.

I am a serious TONE-DOG & have always been a guitarist who appreciates the meaty un-processed line signal. I feel that any F/X can add a 'snotty' sound to an otherwise great tone, especially when inserting F/X that adds length and more connection jumps to the line between the guitar & the amp. (Better to use the F/X line in & out on the amp) Besides all that, I have seen guitarists buy a so-so guitar & basic amp, not get the tones they expected and end up investing more money in pedals than they have in guitar & amp...... now THAT is just dumb. If one wants REAL tone(s) to begin with, GET the guitar & amp that can produce them. (Ever see-hear a several thousand dollar sound system in a junky rusted vehicle? This is the "silk purse from a sow's ear" thing you may have heard about.) :P There is an ancient saying that applies here somehow: "The real test of a mountain climber is not just getting to the top, but getting back down in one piece." My point is simply: one less pedal is one less headache. If you've ever heard someone say: "Less is More".... I believe this is a prime example of what I'm getting at. Therefore, Caution: If you have come to NEED your pedal(s) AS much as your guitar & amp to 'get your sound'.... from my experience, overall, you are asking for more trouble than it's worth.




I think we must agree to disagree, i use up to 18 pedals on more board at one time, and i get great in to my amp type tone, i use a vht valvulator with much sucess for this, but i am just a comfortable with a guitar and an amp. A pair of tube screamers and a wah with my old tube amp is the key to my sound, so i guess the my ts's are a crutch for, well i am ok with that, becuase they sound great for what ever i am doing, i love the versitility of my board, i can go in to a studio with with my tele, my big board and my tube amp and do what ever sound i need to do. I have never heard a proccesor or an amp with built in effects sound as good as a super and a pair of tubescreamers............so i guess i am a victim of pedal abuse


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:D That's why I only have a few effects I like to use.
And agree, first step it is best to spend money on a decent guitar and amp if you don't have one.

I don't want to buy a real Leslie hence the RT-20 that fakes it nicely, and the Wah & Screamer.

Back to the original topic: was looking for a good pedal-board to mount them to so they don't travel in a tangled mess. The 3 pedals and power supply cost around 600$cdn so I'd rather not bang them up too badly..

So far the smaller pedaltrain is looking like the most promising option.

As for multieffects ,, I dislike the all in one "PoDs" they try to do a bit of everything and end up doing none of it very well.

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:29 am
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i carried my diy board in a suit case for along time, i just feel like you are ssaving your money by building your own board, and then go to ebay or craigs list and buy a flight case of some nature to put it in.


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:17 pm
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flamekaster: (and everyone else) Don't get me wrong, I'm not against F/X at all. I was just trying to illuminate the issue of becoming addicted to F/X where one can't play or perform without them, kin to the idea that one can't play their parts &/or lines without the amp on 11. Similar example: some drummers can't play in (or keep) decent time without 'killing' their drums & drumheads, as they depend on the bounce-back to stay in tempo. The point is that ones amp and any F/X are enhancements to your performance and that performance is rooted in the symbiosis and communion between you and your instrument. The more you can practice your lines and parts on your own with only your guitar, the better they will sound when you enhance them with your amp and subsequent F/X.

My eyes were opened to this when I was first teaching and some of the students dragged their amp in with them. It dawned on me that I taught guitar, not amp. I had to do my best to explain this to those students. Music, in any form, is a structure that needs a good foundation. All the rest is either visual or audio bling. Many of the hottest and best guitarists even remark that they regularly practice on an acoustic guitar, just to get back to the basics. They are very aware that they can easily become addicted to F/X and realize that such dependence can be dangerous to their creativity. Sure, any F/X can also inspire as well, but (as a chef might warn) too many spices can ruin the meal by hiding or overpowering the original flavors. All I'm saying is: A little goes a long way. Step back and see the forest for the trees. F/X can become a drug that may eventually stifle your interplay with the broader audio spectrum. Use them, don't abuse them AND don't let them use you or BE all that defines what 'your sound' is.

Getting back to the DIY pedalboard: A simple slab of appropriate size plywood and a suitcase it will fit into is probably the best and least expensive way to keep everything together and working properly. If you have access to a woodworking shop, make a lid and add latches, corner protectors and a handle to your slab, then relegate the suitcase to just extra cords and other accessories.


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For my pedal board, I bought a Gator Pedaltote for about $100. It's powered, so there's no need for batteries.

The core pedalboard is plywood covered in tolex. The carrying case is nylon and is about the same size and feel of a laptop bag.

It comes with velcro stuff to attach your pedals with. And there's a pouch for chords, picks, etc.

I can fit up to 8 Boss-sized pedals on it. Or six Boss-sized and a wah pedal.

After checking out a lot of options, I found this to be the cheapest and most convenient option. I've very happy with it.


Oh, and the boss board is a POS. I highly discourage anyone from buying it. It's cheap plastic and way over-priced.


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:45 pm
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Guitarman1117 wrote:
flamekaster: (and everyone else) Don't get me wrong, I'm not against F/X at all. I was just trying to illuminate the issue of becoming addicted to F/X where one can't play or perform without them, kin to the idea that one can't play their parts &/or lines without the amp on 11. Similar example: some drummers can't play in (or keep) decent time without 'killing' their drums & drumheads, as they depend on the bounce-back to stay in tempo. The point is that ones amp and any F/X are enhancements to your performance and that performance is rooted in the symbiosis and communion between you and your instrument. The more you can practice your lines and parts on your own with only your guitar, the better they will sound when you enhance them with your amp and subsequent F/X.

My eyes were opened to this when I was first teaching and some of the students dragged their amp in with them. It dawned on me that I taught guitar, not amp. I had to do my best to explain this to those students. Music, in any form, is a structure that needs a good foundation. All the rest is either visual or audio bling. Many of the hottest and best guitarists even remark that they regularly practice on an acoustic guitar, just to get back to the basics. They are very aware that they can easily become addicted to F/X and realize that such dependence can be dangerous to their creativity. Sure, any F/X can also inspire as well, but (as a chef might warn) too many spices can ruin the meal by hiding or overpowering the original flavors. All I'm saying is: A little goes a long way. Step back and see the forest for the trees. F/X can become a drug that may eventually stifle your interplay with the broader audio spectrum. Use them, don't abuse them AND don't let them use you or BE all that defines what 'your sound' is.

Getting back to the DIY pedalboard: A simple slab of appropriate size plywood and a suitcase it will fit into is probably the best and least expensive way to keep everything together and working properly. If you have access to a woodworking shop, make a lid and add latches, corner protectors and a handle to your slab, then relegate the suitcase to just extra cords and other accessories.



My point is i can plug strait into an amp and crank it and play all night, but why limit my self sonically?? The guitar can do so much more than any other insturment imo, with out sounding hokey, so i like to walk tall and cary a big stick metaphorically!!


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I get your point and understand that you obviously have it together. Just imagine what (on the one hand) Andres Segovia might have sounded like on an electrified spanish/nylon guitar running it through an amp or PA with a salting of F/X. 'Bigger'? Certainly and 'better'? well, maybe. Question is, would his performance have been enhanced enough to make such an investment (time & money) all worth it? THAT is subjective. I'm only saying to newbies: Before you jump in with both feet, know where solid ground is and 'fly' with F/X or 'swim' in them as necessary, just don't loose touch with what makes the guitar the prime focus of ones performance, or else the F/X will become a crutch. Visits to sonic realms are like vacations in that IF you move to the resort, it's no longer a special place to get away to and then leave behind when 'home' calls you back to reality. It's all in restriction and minimalism. I agree that it's great to have a multitude of audio options, but they're like icing on the cake, they aren't the main meal. You and many others have the right attitude and know where the line is drawn.... I salute you all. If we can show others how not to get F/X fever and/or lost in the F/X jungle, everyone wins.


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Guitarman1117 wrote:
I get your point and understand that you obviously have it together. Just imagine what (on the one hand) Andres Segovia might have sounded like on an electrified spanish/nylon guitar running it through an amp or PA with a salting of F/X. 'Bigger'? Certainly and 'better'? well, maybe. Question is, would his performance have been enhanced enough to make such an investment (time & money) all worth it? THAT is subjective. I'm only saying to newbies: Before you jump in with both feet, know where solid ground is and 'fly' with F/X or 'swim' in them as necessary, just don't loose touch with what makes the guitar the prime focus of ones performance, or else the F/X will become a crutch. Visits to sonic realms are like vacations in that IF you move to the resort, it's no longer a special place to get away to and then leave behind when 'home' calls you back to reality. It's all in restriction and minimalism. I agree that it's great to have a multitude of audio options, but they're like icing on the cake, they aren't the main meal. You and many others have the right attitude and know where the line is drawn.... I salute you all. If we can show others how not to get F/X fever and/or lost in the F/X jungle, everyone wins.



A great player or song should sound great on an acoustic imo. Play stairway on an acoustic it is still awesome. pedals just give them character


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It's really hard to get cascading delay out of a Supra without pedals.

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