I would think that anyone who believes that a government couldn't be against an attack on it's own soil and citizens has not been a very good student of history. It's a chicken or egg situation. Does the government that lives at your expense take your freedoms and property away to keep you safe from the dangers that might befall you? Or does it create dangers that might befall you so that it can justify taking those freedoms and property away from you? Likely, the answer lies somewhere in between.

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9-11 Explained In 5 Minutes

http://planet.infowars.com/video/9-11-explained-in-5-minutes

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover

Dear Americans,

Please do not attack each other! I understand that freedom entitles people to keep their own opinions. I don't think that, in this case, you will be able to convince others that your point of view is the correct one.

That there was a conspiracy or not, does not seem to me to be of the utmost importance. What is important is your liberty. Are you still free Americans, ready to defend your - and your fellow citizen's - liberty? What lines have been crossed, and what differences have the changes made to your way of life?

I feel better just knowing that arguments like this continue, because I think that there is some critical examination and evaluation going on, and this is sorely needed. Scrutiny is vital, and I'm sure your great Thomas Jefferson would have agreed that events like this need to be challenged.

September 11 affected the entire planet. I watched in disbelief as the news unfolded, and knew that the world had become a very different place. Australia is very closely allied to the U.S., and the world is smaller today. I felt for you in 2001, and I continue to empathise with you now.

Demonising your opponents serves no one's interests. Name-calling, even indirectly, and suggestions that people leave the their homeland sadden me. Seriously, take a look at the arguments presented by the other side, and have an open mind. I personally believe that both sides of the argument have some merit, even though I think you are "crying over spilt milk". The fact is that these events happened, whoever orchestrated them.

What can we do to clean up the mess, and ensure that the world is a better place, not a worse one because of this. As individuals from democratic nations, we have the power to change the world one choice at a time. I am a fan of Jefferson, but perhaps more influenced by Ghandi. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." I hope that this would be the way that we honour those that died that day - and I feel we should honour them. Make the world better, not worse, and we have foiled the plans of the perpetrators of evil.

As an Australian, I understand that I cannot fully comprehend what you, as Americans went through. I also do not think it is my place to involve myself in these arguments - but I couldn't help try to moderate the vitriol!

You are all wonderful people, and my best wishes extend to each and every one. I apologise for this rant, and wish you a great day!

Thank you Jonoteague, thoughtfully written.

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G'day, I'm also "safely" tucked in downunder.
When this thread started, I thought that these conspiracy theories were nuts.
Over the last week I've studied both sides of the argument. All I can say now is, there's a lot that we weren't told at the time. There needs to be an independant inquiry into how those building came down and who was responsible;
God bless you America.
Now maybe someone can make me doubt the authenticity of the moon landings.
Goodonyaz ...Mark.

I don't know how I ever missed that before but thanks. That was awesome.

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Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.

I'm disappointed that this thread degraded to politics from being one of reflection of that fateful day, remembrance of those who perished and honor of those who worked to save lives.

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...I for one, sure would appreciate the return of intelligent conversation, spirit of assistance and the simple yet effective ignoring of those who can't seem to hang with that...
Best regards,
rob

You're welcome!

Here's some more info:

http://www.infowars.com/agenda-21-a-sustained-attack-on-property-rights/

9/11 was a false-flag operation meant to stimulate a war economy, to further entrench the police state via the "patriot act", and ultimately, to deceive the nation into accepting Agenda 21, depopulation, racism, eugenics.

Did you know you can fit the entire world population comfortably into Texas?

There is no world population problem and war is obsolete.

Everything you see in the mainstream media is meant to deceive you into thinking there's a world population problem and that war is necessary when it's a fact, there's neither a world population problem and war is obsolete --a hemp based economy will immediately revitalize the world eco system, world health and world prosperity, and world peace -- it will make the bankers and their fear based false flag wars and religious frauds and mainstream media brainwashing and hostile police state obsolete.

I am so glad you and the others took the time to research the information. When I first learned of it all, I was shocked too. But, you suck-it-up and figure out what to do and then do it. In these times, knowledge is power. So, the thing to do is to educate everybody -- empower them with knowledge. Spread the info far and wide! Break through the matrix of lies and live the life you were intended to live -- 120 years of multiplying, being fruitful, and subduing the Earth abiding by the 10 commandments, and in our country, within The Bill of Rights -- true nationalism and internationalism; recognizing that respecting the right of the individual is the greater good:

http://planet.infowars.com/activism/the-ten-commandments-within-the-bill-of-rights

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover

Lobbyist: Launch Staged Provocation To Start War With Iran

“We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians”

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
September 26, 2012
A member of the influential pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) think tank has brazenly suggested that the United States should launch a false flag provocation in order to start a war with Iran.

http://www.infowars.com/lobbyist-launch-staged-provocation-to-start-war-with-iran/

Speaking at a Washington Institute for Near East Policy policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” WINEP director of research Patrick Clawson listed a raft of historical examples of where governments have either staged or exploited attacks in order to become embroiled in war.

Clawson is also a former senior economist with the IMF and the World Bank.
Lamenting how it is “Very hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran,” Clawson added, “the traditional way [that] America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests.”
By the “traditional way,” Clawson clearly intimated that he thinks the U.S. should stage or provoke an attack in order to create a manufactured casus belli for striking Iran.

“We can do a variety of things to increase the pressure,” said Clawson as fellow attendees at the luncheon snickered, adding that sanctions are not the only option and that “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it.”

“So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war,” Clawson said.

Mentioning an incident on August 17 when power cables serving the Fordow Enrichment Plant were severed by an explosion, Clawson stated, “Iranian submarines periodically go down, someday one of them might not come up – who would know why? – clearly hinting that the U.S. should attack Iranian ships in order to provoke a response.

Reeling off a number of incidents that the U.S. President “had to wait for” before taking America to war, Clawson mentioned the Gulf of Tonkin, the Lusitania, the attack on the USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, as well as the attack on Fort Sumter during Abraham Lincoln’s tenure.

Every one of those events is historically recognized to have been staged to some degree or at least known ahead of time and exploited.
The explosion which sunk the USS Maine on 15 February 1898 and drove the United States into a war with Spain was most likely an accident. However, an aggressive propaganda campaign run by the king of yellow journalism William Randolph Hearst ensured that Americans were hoodwinked into blaming Spain and throwing their support behind the war.

The sinking of the Lusitania, which helped bring America into World War One, was also a planned provocation. In September 2008, a diving expedition confirmed speculation that had raged for decades – the ship was carrying a huge amount of munitions and was a legitimate target for German U-boats. Before the ship sailed, the Germans made it clear they knew the boat was carrying munitions and would target the Lusitania.

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was known ahead of time and allowed to happen. The McCollum memo, written on October 7, 1940, by Lieutenant Commander Arthur H. McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence, detailed eight actions that could be used to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. Freedom of Information Act files confirm that that United States had intercepted Admiral Yamamoto’s radio messages sent weeks before December 7 1941, one of which made it clear that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor.

In the case of the Gulf of Tonkin, the supposed second attack by the North Vietnamese which the White House cited in sending troops to Vietnam did not take place. In an interview for a documentary called The Fog of War, then Defense Secretary Robert S McNamara admits that the attack “didn’t happen.”

In listing these examples, Clawson is shamelessly calling for the United States to stage or provoke an incident as a means of manufacturing a pretext to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfoaLbbAix0&feature=player_embedded

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover

A Farewell To Kings -- Rush

When they turn the pages of history
When these days have passed long ago
Will they read of us with sadness
For the seeds that we let grow

We turned our gaze from the castles in the distance
Eyes cast down on the path of least resistance

Cities full of hatred, fear and lies
Withered hearts and cruel tormented eyes
Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise
Beating down the multitude and scoffing at the wise

The hypocrites are slandering the sacred halls of truth
Ancient nobles showering their bitterness on youth
Can't we find the minds that made us strong
Oh, can't we learn to feel what's right and what's wrong
What's wrong?

Cities full of hatred, fear and lies
Withered hearts and cruel tormented eyes
Scheming demons dressed in kingly guise
Beating down the multitude and scoffing at the wise

Oh, can't we raise our eyes and make a start
Can't we find the minds to lead us closer to the heart

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover