Toppscore has been banned

63supro · **Joined:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 8827

One thing to remember guys and girls, the "Old Boys Club" has nothing to do with age. It's people who have been here since this forums inception have helped build it, and want to protect the quality of conversation and information.

Ceri, my friend, you're always a gentleman. We've discussed all kinds of things, had disagreements but never resorted to name calling, personal digs or being obnoxious. If everyone could be like that, the forum would be great.

Runnerman · **Joined:** Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:33 am **Posts:** 65

Before this is all said and done i thought it might be appropriate to add the view of a relative nooby to this fine place. I have been a member on many forums over the years and in addition to this particular one there are only two others that I have the privilege of being a longstanding member where there is such a great atmosphere and desire to be helpful and friendly. I'll leave them nameless as I don't wish any of the dearly departed to migrate in that direction.

There are a few parallels to this forum in those other successful places, one already mentioned is a focussed passion for an instrument and/or brand. The second is a passion for vintage instruments which leads me to the point that age maybe does have something to do with it. Not that everyone here, or there, is old but there are a goodly number of older and maturer adults that like to be helpful and welcoming and are not so much interested in the usual clashing of horns and pecking orders but in a civil forum society which includes questions and exchanging of information and ideas. These are great places and rare on the net....as I'm sure most of us know. We have had challenges in these other forums as well but thankfully they have been dealt with and we have moved on.

Here, I have already had members go above and beyond the call of duty and, in fact, take me under their wing and assist me in ways that frankly stun me. Arjay is one of them and I would like to publically thank him. Folks, you have a great thing going here and I am humbled and thankful to be a very small part of it.

Cheers,
Chris.

Solid Body Love Songs · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:28 pm

Ceri wrote:

Well, fifteen pages into this astonishing thread I'm finally going to dip my toe in the water.

Hi redpaul1: in the friendliest possible tone I'm going to politely disagree with you, so far as an Atlantic split is concerned. Though this is the only forum I'm a member of I look at a few others and I see both well mannered and eye-wateringly rude ones both sides of the ocean. In person, I know rude and abrupt people either side of the pond and likewise mannerly and peaceable ones. I don't think any of this has to do with geography.

I think a good analogy is with bars. There are noisy bars full of shouting and bad language; you can tell them a block away and if you don't like it you don't enter. And there are restrained bars with friends and strangers alike enjoying a quiet drink and civilised conversation. If someone goes into one of those and starts yelling his head off the manager first asks him to tone it down and if he won't shows him the door.

That's what happened to Toppscore.

The internet is full of forums he and like minded folks can go and scream insults at each other: since the beginning Fender and its Forum Users have decided this isn't one of them.

It so happens I have met several of this Forum's users on both sides of the Atlantic and it has been nice to discover that so far to a man they have been in real life of above average intelligence and above average social skills: polite, friendly and lots of fun to spend time with. Down the far end of copper wires and airwaves we're all nevertheless real people here with manners and feelings, and we are capable of behaving to one another online as we would face to face.

It's more productive and simply nicer that way.

This Forum user in sunny South London likes the way Brad runs the show.

Cheers - C

Eloquently said, thanks Ceri!

BMW-KTM · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:33 pm

Runnerman, I think we can all guess which sites you refer to. A pair of webmasters whose last names are spelled differently but are both pronounced the same way and both represent envy's hue. Many of us have bin-dare-dun-dat and we like it here better for the very reasons you just mentioned including RJ's (and other's) expertise.

Welcome to the board. Don't let the bickering scare you off. There's some good stuff here.

fhopkins · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:37 pm

Gorgon · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:08 pm

63supro wrote:

One thing to remember guys and girls, the "Old Boys Club" has nothing to do with age. It's people who have been here since this forums inception have helped build it, and want to protect the quality of conversation and information.

What elitist nonsense :lol:

It's an internet forum. Please get things into perspective.

Arc-n-spark · **Joined:** Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:38 am **Posts:** 593

Gorgon, You're harshing my mellow man. Peace bro!

BMW-KTM · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:37 pm

He doesn't harsh mine ... except when someone quotes him.

:wink:

Gorgon · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:50 pm

Arc-n-spark wrote:

Gorgon, You're harshing my mellow man. Peace bro!

^^^

this is the best post on this thread by miles and the hippy smilie is cool

63supro · **Joined:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 8827

BMW-KTM wrote:

He doesn't harsh mine ... except when someone quotes him.

:wink:

He's not hashing mine either. He's on my ignore list. :lol:

Can't get pissed by what I don't see. :wink:

Arnold Layne · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:06 pm

Gorgon wrote:

Arnold Layne wrote:

I wouldn't go pointing the "bad guy" finger at Arjay, he has been nothing but helpful to those who have genuine interest, or concerns.

No that's wrong i'm afraid. i asked him for advice about a caps issue in an amp and was met with the sage advice of did i know what side was the positive end and what end was the negative end?

Not only was that an idiotic comment it was demeaning and rude. Much like the way he put Toppscore down with his cheeky and moronic Einstein comment.

[quote]

I actually think it's a valid question. I've seen people hurt themselves with caps, and electrical panels not being locked out, fingers where they don't belong with a machine sill powered up. I'm the lead tech in the engineering dept. at my job, I ask people questions like that all the time when they call me and I'm not there to see. It's not to suggest people are stupid, it's just responsible to ask certain questions so people don't hurt or kill themselves. Doesn't seem to me to be insulting at all.

redpaul1 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:08 am

Ceri wrote:

Well, fifteen pages into this astonishing thread I'm finally going to dip my toe in the water.

Hi redpaul1: in the friendliest possible tone I'm going to politely disagree with you, so far as an Atlantic split is concerned. Though this is the only forum I'm a member of I look at a few others and I see both well mannered and eye-wateringly rude ones both sides of the ocean. In person, I know rude and abrupt people either side of the pond and likewise mannerly and peaceable ones. I don't think any of this has to do with geography.

I think a good analogy is with bars. There are noisy bars full of shouting and bad language; you can tell them a block away and if you don't like it you don't enter. And there are restrained bars with friends and strangers alike enjoying a quiet drink and civilised conversation. If someone goes into one of those and starts yelling his head off the manager first asks him to tone it down and if he won't shows him the door.

That's what happened to Toppscore.

The internet is full of forums he and like minded folks can go and scream insults at each other: since the beginning Fender and its Forum Users have decided this isn't one of them.

It so happens I have met several of this Forum's users on both sides of the Atlantic and it has been nice to discover that so far to a man they have been in real life of above average intelligence and above average social skills: polite, friendly and lots of fun to spend time with. Down the far end of copper wires and airwaves we're all nevertheless real people here with manners and feelings, and we are capable of behaving to one another online as we would face to face.

It's more productive and simply nicer that way.

This Forum user in sunny South London likes the way Brad runs the show.

Cheers - C

Hi Ceri,

I think I have responded to most of the points you make in my reply to 53magnatone, but in case that's not the case, let me make it absolutely clear that I have no issues with "the way Brad runs the show" - as a relative noob, it would be utterly presumptuous of me even to attempt to pronounce on that. I wasn't addressing the rights or wrongs of Brad's decision, I wouldn't even think of doing so: I was speculating on why the debate had gone on for so long.

On reflection, I should have made it clear that the issue of the Atlantic "split" (your words, may I say, not mine) was secondary to the issue of how rules of etiquette are formed in different forums/fora - which was intended to be my main point. I didn't intend for my intervention to sidetrack the discussion in that tired and unproductive manner.

In regard to rule formation, I think your analogy about bars is right on the money. What I was suggesting was that people were bringing their experience of behaviour in other bars to this thread (behaviour on other forums/fora has been a recurrent theme in this debate): hence some people saying "look at this appalling behaviour", others saying "I just don't see the problem", and that that was what was keeping the discussion 'stuck'.

On another note, it's interesting and pleasing to read that you've met other forum users in person. I rarely go so far south of the river that I end up in Peckham, but I have been seen on odd occasions in Ladywell, Catford and Balham. It would be great to meet up sometime. Let me know where you're playing next and I'll try and come along.

Paul

Smokin' Frets · **Joined:** Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:33 am **Posts:** 1247

Gorgon wrote:

If you don't like the person ignore them, that's all it takes.

That's what I'm going to do with you now.
You've just disqualified yourself with your post, showing off your incredible lack of understanding for basic rules in behavior and calling me naive, winy, etc... without even knowing me. You're talking to a highly educated person here who's at the mature age of 47.

You're ignored, bye, bye :wink:

EDIT: I love this ignore function

Smokin' Frets · **Joined:** Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:33 am **Posts:** 1247

As far as 17 pages in this thread are concerned:

I don't see this thread as a pure pro/contra Toppscore ban thread.

I feel it rather changed into a thread in which we discuss our wishes ragarding how to generally communicate in a community like this.

From what I see, the vast majority is pro respect, friendlyness and argumentative discussions.
A tiny minority accepts rudeness, insults and personal attacks and understands that as being "normal". :roll:

Those will probably never learn otherwise because they assumeably have grown up in correspondent environments with correspondent bad influences.

Sooner or later I expect them to go the "Toppscore route" since the majority of members won't watch this for long.

I think it's helpful to discuss topics like this.
I, for my part, have closed the TS topic as "'nuff said" but keep reading this thread because I like to see how the members imagine their "ideal and enjoying" online community.

Snowjoe · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:49 am

I've moderated on a few boards in my time, mostly skating and snowboarding which as you can imagine draws a younger more confrontational crowd. I've had this argument time and time again with people spouting free speech and all that jazz, because they have the impression that because the board is public they have a right to be there. In reality the board belongs to those that pay the admin and hosting fees, it is entirely up to them who is welcome and who isn't.

When people come and upset the balance, and especially here where there are some knowledgable people, whether or not you like them as a person, then you have to make the call on who to please. In this case the sensible road is to go with the long standing members with buckets of information that is relevant and useful to the forum interests.

I have my own opinions on certain members here, and I find they always centre around religion and politics, so I've stopped going there, everyone has enough they can bond over with guitars and music. I've realised that until you live the other persons life you can't make judgement on their beliefs, and if I met them in real life I'm confident that most people here are lovely people.

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