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Post subject: Re: Today's Recordings More 'Homogenized?'
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:33 pm
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Music is changing. Or rather, the creation of music is changing. For those of us who live in the middle of nowhere, some of these changes were, at first thought, pretty cool! The creation of software to record at home was awesome! It helped a TON of businesses. If you had the software, you had to have the hardware to run it. So sales of sound cards, ram, fast hard drives, cables, studio monitors, soundproofing and a host of other things associated with a home studio rose exponentially. It made it easy, or easier, for us to ply our trade. People who couldn’t afford to go into a professional studio could now, for much cheaper, record at home.

But it also took money and work away from those professional studios. Why go to a professional studio when you can do it at home for a fraction of the cost? Plus, you don’t have to listen to some stupid engineer with 25 years experience tell you how you are going to record your song. It’s YOUR song! Even though you’ve never been in a professional studio in your life, YOU are the paying customer and YOU should have THEM doing what YOU want!

There are more people creating music now than there ever has been. That is the “other” side of this musical coin. Every person in the entire civilized world who thinks they can sing, write, play, etc., has a “home” studio. All of the music related sites on the Internet are bogged with the talented and the “I think I’m talented.” Try to find some decent music to download and you have to wade through 100 “I think I’m talented” artists to find one that actually is good.

The Internet brought us many good things. And many bad things. In the music world, it brought us MP3’s, a file format that has, much to every real musician’s dismay, become the standard of audio. We all know that argument and I’m not going to get into that because that’s not my purpose.

When the drum machine was created all those years ago, I thought, “Wow, that’s incredible!” If you don’t have access to a real drummer you must program the drum machine to do the work for you. Granted this took a lot of time but with a little patience you could put together a pretty good drum track.

Now, software based MIDI drum packages like addictive drums, EZDrummer, etc., have kind of revolutionized the music business. It is so much better than the drum machines and it is easier, in most ways, to put together a drum track. What a jewel! And it doesn’t matter what genre of music you are into, there’s a package for you!

But when I first heard about the new drum packages, there was one thing I didn’t consider and it has been on my mind a lot lately.

Where is music headed?

Did you find out?

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Post subject: Re: Today's Recordings More 'Homogenized?'
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:42 pm
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Way too totally gnarly awesome :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:16 am
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Some artists...a small number, used DVD-Audio for a while and I became a buyer of the format for the higher resolution it provides. While the format itself is wonderful. Using it is problematic.

I still support artists who use the format and have seen older catalog albums being put out to take advantage of the format...Tull, ELP, The Who, etc but without many more buyers, it will remain a niche market.

As was mentioned above the, mp3 and I-pods have brought music into the disposable age.
I use the formats too but not for serious listening which I don't think happens that much anymore. Our society seldom wants to slow down. Everyone multi-tasks.

I've never tried DVD-Audio , but sure I would like to. Then again - like you say - it will probably remain a niche - format. Perhaps those lossless-formats are the way to go ? I am willing to do something to get a better sound out of the music - but I am too lazy to even put on a cd - I just play my iTunes :oops: As you said
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neither do I :(
I don't think many people these days are really listening to music - they just use it for background noise while hurrying through their lives..... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Today's Recordings More 'Homogenized?'
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:29 am
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Monalst wrote:
Personally I dont think today is any different than past decades..Crap Bubblegum music has always been around..a few examples: I ask for forgiveness
60's Sugar Sugar - The Archies
70's Bay City Rollers- Saturday Night
80's Roxanne- The Police (Oh how I loathe this song!)
90's Hit me Baby one more Time- Brittany Spears
(Songs off the top of my head I issue a disclaimer for incorrect facts haha)
The fact is the junk sells and it sells well but true talent and real muscians seem to find their niche inspite of it...an example for now I think is Foo Fighters..real muscians, a lot of their original recordings were done in their garage without the multimillion dollar studios
I dont think your concern of "Homogenized" is any different than the past decades and decades of the same..the only trend I see is radio stations have become increasingly stale and seem to have the same universal play list and I think that is narrowing the scope of people getting to really hear the better stuff..Okay I have rambled enough but you get the general gist of what Im trying to say



I agree with you that there's always been insipid bubblegum pop...but to lump the Police in with that group?? You put a dagger to my heart, sir. Might as well throw Zeppelin and the Beatles in, too, then. :wink: Ghost in the Machine is one of my all time favorite albums. I'll grant you that The Police may not be everyone's cup of tea, but make no mistake: Messrs. Sumners, Copeland and Summers are musicians of at least as high a calibre as Dave Grohl & Co (who, by the way, with the exception of their very latest album, have been using the very same multimillion dollar studios all the other big label acts use).

At any rate, the point of the article is that there seems to be some concrete evidence that pop songs - both in terms of composition and of recording styles- are getting increasingly bland. Which I think is a shame because I think there's always been "good," meaning fun and interesting, pop music to go along with the more "serious" music out there.


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:37 am
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LOL Schnep...Even if you are a police fan you HAVE to admit the ear piercing Roxxxxxannnne ...is horrible!! I beg forgiveness..I was basically pulling songs and decades out of my...well you get what I mean..haha and Im a She just so you know!

My friends an I all play worst song ever and I will have to continue to cause you pain because that song is always first on my list followed by Benny and The Jets..please tell me you dont like that song too..hehe

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:56 am
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Hah, it's all a matter of individual taste, I suppose!

Again, I love the Police, but I know not everyone else does. Mr. T, for example, hates Roxanne, too.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebwthnaWng

As for Bennie & The Jets...not my favorite song, but I would certainly put Elton John into the aforementioned category of "good" pop artist.


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:27 am
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I have a love/hate relationship with Roxanne. Catchy as hell...heard it too much...can't get it out of my head sometimes....has been COMPLETELY CO-OPTED by popular culture. Great song, in it's own way, and Sting never has to work another day in his life (...or that's my hope at least).

I agree that POPULAR music has become VERY homogenized. There is, however, a multitude of very good music still coming out in the world, and if you aren't hearing any of it the fault is YOURS, and YOURS ALONE. You just gotta get past the iTunes, Rhapsody mindset so prevalent in our lives today. What the hell...Get out there and go to a club sometimes. Take a chance on a band you never heard of. Be entertained instead of being spoon fed by what passes as music from today's "taste makers". Those "taste makers" are usually lawyers (check the background of any one of the the current heads our multi-media conglomerates), and we know it's all about the bottom line with those guys. Back in the day, before music became a "business" (or at least corporate), it was run by a bunch of characters who didn't know whether or not something would sell. They just LIKED it. They went with their gut. That's why music was so much more exciting in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Now, there is so much more at stake that corporations can't really afford to take a chance anymore. They have shareholders to please. It HAS to be a huge success, or the share holders simply vote them out.

I love the current technology. It is very powerful, and as soon as I got over chasing the latest sound card or plug in, I found it to be extremely liberating. I don't have to wonder whether or not it'll sell. My investment is very small. I can afford to make the kind of music that I like to hear, and not worry about recouping several thousand dollars that it would have cost me 30 years ago to make my next magnum opus.

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:28 pm
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mortalengines wrote:
There is, however, a multitude of very good music still coming out in the world, and if you aren't hearing any of it the fault is YOURS, and YOURS ALONE. You just gotta get past the iTunes, Rhapsody mindset so prevalent in our lives today. What the hell...Get out there and go to a club sometimes. Take a chance on a band you never heard of.

I can afford to make the kind of music that I like to hear, and not worry about recouping several thousand dollars that it would have cost me 30 years ago to make my next magnum opus.

That is so true. Luckily I love to go out to find new bands and artists , and I prefer original niche - music. I also love listening to myself :lol:
BTW- some cool stuff in your links !

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:34 pm
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mortalengines wrote:
I have a love/hate relationship with Roxanne. Catchy as hell...heard it too much...can't get it out of my head sometimes....has been COMPLETELY CO-OPTED by popular culture. Great song, in it's own way, and Sting never has to work another day in his life (...or that's my hope at least).

I agree that POPULAR music has become VERY homogenized. There is, however, a multitude of very good music still coming out in the world, and if you aren't hearing any of it the fault is YOURS, and YOURS ALONE. You just gotta get past the iTunes, Rhapsody mindset so prevalent in our lives today. What the hell...Get out there and go to a club sometimes. Take a chance on a band you never heard of. Be entertained instead of being spoon fed by what passes as music from today's "taste makers". Those "taste makers" are usually lawyers (check the background of any one of the the current heads our multi-media conglomerates), and we know it's all about the bottom line with those guys. Back in the day, before music became a "business" (or at least corporate), it was run by a bunch of characters who didn't know whether or not something would sell. They just LIKED it. They went with their gut. That's why music was so much more exciting in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Now, there is so much more at stake that corporations can't really afford to take a chance anymore. They have shareholders to please. It HAS to be a huge success, or the share holders simply vote them out.

I love the current technology. It is very powerful, and as soon as I got over chasing the latest sound card or plug in, I found it to be extremely liberating. I don't have to wonder whether or not it'll sell. My investment is very small. I can afford to make the kind of music that I like to hear, and not worry about recouping several thousand dollars that it would have cost me 30 years ago to make my next magnum opus.

http://soundcloud.com/obscuros-1

http://www.reverbnation.com/mortalengines

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mortal-En ... 5500771194


Hey mortalengines, cool stuff on your Soundcloud page. Upon a first listen, it sounded like something sort of in between 70s Tangerine Dream and Throbbing Gristle. Trippy...

I think the current technology is sort of a double-edged sword. I admit that I love my iPod. It's very convenient to be able to download tracks upon demand, and it's great to be able to take a huge chunk of my music library with me when I go jogging. And home recording technology has truly made the whole DIY philosophy a practical reality for independent artists.

But I do believe that the technology has changed the way that we listen to music in general. There's something to be said, I think, for going out and buying a new LP, bringing it home, slapping it on the turntable, throwing on the headphones, dimming the lights and going off on a trip for 30-60 minutes. I can't believe that there are many people out there right now who EVER experience listening to music in this fashion. When we hear new music these days, we tend to cherrypick the one or two songs we like from the album and put them on a mix to listen to while we're washing the dishes or whatever. It's so much more of a superficial experience. This, I think, is the main reason for the increased homogenization of songwriting and music recording. Why should artists put the time and effort into making quality albums when most people will only ever listen to the singles anyway (and even those will only ever be heard as mp3 files through pairs of crappy bud headphones).

But I do agree there is plenty of great music being made out there if you know where to look. I believe that you can find fantastic musicians playing in bars, clubs and coffeehouses in almost any town in America (and I'm sure that goes for Canada and Europe, too!). And it's amazing what you can find by doing some exploring on Youtube. It's too bad more of those great songs can't make their way onto terrrestrial radio these days.


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:54 pm
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Hey mortalengines, cool stuff on your Soundcloud page. Upon a first listen, it sounded like something sort of in between 70s Tangerine Dream and Throbbing Gristle. Trippy...

Why should artists put the time and effort into making quality albums when most people will only ever listen to the singles anyway (and even those will only ever be heard as mp3 files through pairs of crappy bud headphones).


Shcnepf! I love Throbbing Gristle. Great Funk & Bass grooves.

Regarding headphones.
For a variety of reasons, I use headphone quite a bit.
Obviously, better sounds and IMHO more complete capture of ANY recording
is heard better with headphones on.

Guess you are meaning MP3 files degrade the music,
and in the mp3 players most copy/rip songs in the players at 64kbps to 164kbps.
By rule, all of my good music is ripped at 256kbps,
Rap Hip Hop Pop Top40 music is ripped at 224kbps
and Rare or Expensive or "Elaborate" Music (Beatles Box Sets, Pink Floyd, or out of print music)
are all ripped at 320kbps.

As you probably know, 320kbps is CD quality or equivelant.

What do you think about headphones for a fuller sounds
and about different recording/ripping qualities.

Also, I may have misinterpreted "ear buds" for my severa Sony headphone sets.

Toppscore :)

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lameandcliche wrote:
words of wisdom from the king of surf guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJxc3Lxn4o

Perfect!
'Nuff said.

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lameandcliche wrote:
words of wisdom from the king of surf guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJxc3Lxn4o

Perfect! 'Nuff said.


I like Dick speech as well.

Another "route" TO THE TOP :!: :!: :!:
Get "good enough" and "in demand" enough that many recording companies
want to invest in you, "sign" you/your group and work together as a "team".

At that point, call your own shots. Everything is negotiable. Right?

Who wants to follow John Fogerty's footsteps? EVERYBODY!
Who would do a better job of Fogert's music with "hindsight"? EVERYBODY!

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Oh...thanks guys! I am glad some of you took the time out to actually check some of the links! By no means am I downgrading the impact of mp3s. They are an essential tool in the new music market place. Mostly I was just noting that most people don't get past the page 1 add for the latest Kanye track or whatever.

I DO miss LP's these days. They kind of unconsciously forced a person to listen to a recorded work all the way through. I remember buying LP's from Hendrix, Zeppelin, etc and only liking one or two songs initially. Then, I remember being in a room, and being too stoned to actually get up and physically lifting the needle from the grooves, in order to skip to that next track, and it was like an epiphany! Many of those songs I initially hated, came to be my favorite songs after all! Ah....the wonder! I quit smoking weed years ago but, I STILL like those old Hendrix and Zeppelin recordings and will sit all the way thru them...even now that I have em in mp3 form.


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The Loudness War -- It's a problem people have been aware of for quite some time and they're fighting back.

Check out . . . http://turnmeup.org/


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The Loudness War -- It's a problem people have been aware of for quite some time and they're fighting back.
Check out . . . http://turnmeup.org/



Good stuff, Steve. Thank you.

When I produce a large event, I like a few things to happen.
1) Low room/hall Lighting * bright lights make guests irritable and tired.
2) No or low stage Lighting * heat & bright lights make me irritable and tired.
3) Low heat, room coolness, good air circulation * heat makes everybody irritable.
4) Medium upbeat music for greeting, eating, dining, cocktail time - let the guests know this is a PARTY, not a social sit down where you can completely hear & understand grandma across a ten foot table. People should raise their voices a bit to add energy. Of course too loud for greeting/eating is not good nor is too soft elevator background music any good, as well.
5) For dancing and rocking out, sustain low lighting and cool room temperatures and cool flowing air for all in the room or hall. Absolutely no bright lights, dim or no overhead lights, no heat (let the audience dance and jump to warm up :lol: :lol: :lol: )

Just the way I do things.
How about you???/anybody???

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