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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:30 am
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somebizarredude wrote:
also if you have a little larger budget you could try to FIND one of those American Subsonic Stratocasters
( i have yet to find one without a ridiculous price tag, and i have been looking for a while)

Is that the same as the Fender Bass VI ? In that case I imagine having seen some MIJ or CIJ - might be cheaper and still good !


those are a around a 30" scale and the string tension would feel more like a normal guitar
tuned that low. but some string sets are not made quite long enough to fit such a long scale, so you may run into a snag there. but yes you can achieve what you want with that.

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:00 am
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Ok- this is the one I'm talking about
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Is that the same as American Subsonic strat?

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:41 am
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that will tune very low, and with some single coil size blade humbuckers you could get into meshuggah territory :wink:

the sub-sonic strat was just a stratocaster with a 27.5 inch scale neck for B to B tuning everything else on it was basically an American standard.

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:49 am
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Thanks- can't remember hearing of the subsonic, but I have not always been into Fenders :oops:
I've got a Danelectro Dead on 67 Baritone , and love it :D
Close to 30'' neck - tuned a2a

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:47 pm
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Warmoth also does baritone scale conversion necks that will bolt right onto a standard Fender or Fender style body... as another option.


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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:42 pm
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MacGyvercaster wrote:
Warmoth also does baritone scale conversion necks that will bolt right onto a standard Fender or Fender style body... as another option.




Hi, MacG!!! Cannot say enough positive about Warmoth products and service.
I have two guitars built from Warmoth parts. They are both top notch and
I enjoy playing both compared to my other ten Strat & Super Strat guitars.
Probably they are in my top four guitars.

Tell me what you think?
Thanks. Toppscore 8)



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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:42 am
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somebizarredude wrote:
you can do it, but to maintain proper string tension you would need some pretty fat strings. Just get a 7 string set and leave out one string. most 7 string guitars are 25.5" scale length anyways.
if you balance gauge with the tuning there will be no increase in overall string tension.
but you will need the nut slot enlarged and some possible tweaks on the truss rod and springs. nothing major though.


Okay thanks a lot !

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I've had a '75 Les Paul tuned down to Drop C with no issues, using Ernie Ball 10-52 Skiny Top Heavy Bottom strings. Minor setup work to accomodate, nothing major.

Also had my Squier bullet strat set up in baritone tuning, drop A... I used baritone strings, but I've also used the bottom 6 out of a 7 string pack. Again, you will have to tweak the truss rod and re-intonate, and probably file out the slots for the bigger strings.

Although, if you're going to buy a 500-600 dollar guitar anyway, why not just pick up a baritone? Look for an Agile or an Epiphone Baritone LP... those are both great baritones, for not a lot of bucks. The Agile bari LP style was a little nicer IMO, as it retained the full LP style control setup, but either are decent. Drop in a Duncan JB in the bridge position, and you're set!

Another great baritone that's a little more like a strat (comparatively, anyway) is the PRS SE Mike Mushok Baritone. It comes in silverburst or a more traditional tobbacco burst... that one is great right out of the box, but it's probably a hundred or two more than the other two.

What are some other suggestions for a baritone ?

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Warmoth also does baritone scale conversion necks that will bolt right onto a standard Fender or Fender style body... as another option.


Awesome suggestion. thanks !


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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:44 am
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MacGyvercaster wrote:
Warmoth also does baritone scale conversion necks that will bolt right onto a standard Fender or Fender style body... as another option.



Interesting. Warmoth makes one, but how is setting up the intonation and tuning?
Just wondering? Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:10 am
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Toppscore wrote:
MacGyvercaster wrote:
Warmoth also does baritone scale conversion necks that will bolt right onto a standard Fender or Fender style body... as another option.



Interesting. Warmoth makes one, but how is setting up the intonation and tuning?
Just wondering? Toppscore 8)

I've never used one personally, but I'd assume no different than setting up any other replacement neck.


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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:32 am
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I have great luck with open C tuning. Any lower than that seems to require either larger gauge strings or raising the saddles and adjusting intonation.


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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:29 pm
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mortalengines wrote:
I have great luck with open C tuning. Any lower than that seems to require either larger gauge strings or raising the saddles and adjusting intonation.


Thanks, Mortal.
No problems with string buzzing?
and intonation for all six strings was easy to achieve?

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:38 pm
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Not terribly difficult and no buzzing with higher gauge strings....it's all about tension and adjusting saddle height and sitting there with a screwdriver adjusting intonation....VERY patiently, mind you. I never had to worry about any adjustment at all tuning down to C. It's just that extra note drop that gets a little tricky. This was for a telecaster too which is a solid bridge and tailpiece. I have no idea how well it'll work with a Strat or another guitar with a Trem. I tried it a couple of times on a guitar with a Floyd Rose setup. Didn't work. Didn't even try to do any bridge or nut or neck adjustments then. Just went right back to standard tuning on that one....then I sold the guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:04 pm
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mortalengines wrote:
Not terribly difficult and no buzzing with higher gauge strings....it's all about tension and adjusting saddle height and sitting there with a screwdriver adjusting intonation....VERY patiently, mind you. I never had to worry about any adjustment at all tuning down to C. It's just that extra note drop that gets a little tricky. This was for a telecaster too which is a solid bridge and tailpiece. I have no idea how well it'll work with a Strat or another guitar with a Trem. I tried it a couple of times on a guitar with a Floyd Rose setup. Didn't work. Didn't even try to do any bridge or nut or neck adjustments then. Just went right back to standard tuning on that one....then I sold the guitar.



Yes. Lately, I have been reading about how string tension can affect tremolo bridges
and their setup and support bolts. Thanks for the help.

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:42 pm
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asgeirman wrote:
Ok- this is the one I'm talking about
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Is that the same as American Subsonic strat?



Please help me, for I know not what is needed to understand
differences between "subsonic" and "baritone" guitars.
Are there differences?
or, is "Subsonic" the name of a Fender Baritone guitar?

Thanks for the info. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: Drop Tuning and standard guitars
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:59 am
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Thanks for all the help everyone !!

I've looked into tabs, and tabs, and even more tabs and have come to a conclusion that I will be tuning into CGCFAD. A lot of the stuff on my iPod is in that tuning and it helps to be able to jam along !


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