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Post subject: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:20 pm
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I do not know what is going on but after this last 2 months desperate times are upon me. It's like I have been cursed. I am having to sell my 2nd best guitar in my herd to pay bills this month. So I am saying goodbye to my American Standard. I hope one day to be able to afford another one, but this one has to go so I can make ends meat this month.

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BTW watch your Paypal accounts if you have one. I had some jackass hacked into mine and threw me for a curve ball. I am still paying overdraft fees that keep occurring. My bank has refunded all the fees associated with Paypal, just not the other fees for the bills I wrote that bounced before I realized what was happening. Part of the reason I have to sell the American Standard. Needless to say Paypal is gone as soon as the investigation is over. :( :evil:

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:05 am
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Sorry to hear this, it's horrible. I've got that Paypal and when you hear things like this you get paranoid about using it. I mean these things are supposed to be 100% secure. How did they manage to hack into it?

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:19 am
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You have to wonder what is safe anymore.


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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:38 am
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oxfan wrote:
You have to wonder what is safe anymore.

Yes and you wonder about this online banking too :roll: You hear about these hackers who hack you with a keylogger thing that can read all your passwords and stuff :evil: It just makes me sad that we have to share the earth with scum type people like this who prey on others.

Now whenever i log into online banking i'm wondering if there's gonna be some scam artist has tried to hack my computer and steal details of accounts and so on. it makes me not want to use it anymore. Why tempt fate? They say it's all 100% secure but it can't be look at the op having his Paypal account hacked.

If you do online banking or have Paypal keep a close eye on things for any transactions that you didn't make. These con artists are everywhere.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:59 am
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The Word and the Breath wrote:
If the bills about which you are talking are unsecured debt in the form of credit card bills and you carry a balance you'll never get out of with 18% interest, you should just stop paying those bills. Chances are your credit score is already bad. They'll never actually sue you--just harrass you with phone calls. You can live with that.


A few years ago I was unemployed for 7 months and lived off credit cards. I've seriously considered blowing off the payments but as long as I can pay my basics, i.e. food, housing, transportation, and clothing, I'll work to honestly pay my debts.

However, I've considered offering a settlement. The irony though is that they won't even discuss a settlement unless I stop paying!

The bank is NOT your friend. They're the ones with all the tall buildings downtown.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:29 am
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The Word and the Breath wrote:
This is everyone's one "get out of jail free card."

So, what you're saying is that since your word is meaningless and everyone should abandon any sense of dignity and honor?


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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:34 am
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Gorgon wrote:
Sorry to hear this, it's horrible. I've got that Paypal and when you hear things like this you get paranoid about using it. I mean these things are supposed to be 100% secure. How did they manage to hack into it?



Unknown...still under investigation.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:37 am
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The Word and the Breath wrote:
If you liquidate your guitar to pay the bank some paper fiat money, you'll be doing the bank's work for it. Actually you'll do what the bank cannot do to you--take your guitar. Don't do it. Here's what I mean.

Unless you are talking about the electricity and water bill, or car bill and you need a car to get to work, and/or the mortgage if you can afford it and don't plan on losing the property (or rent), which of course must be paid, the following applies to unsecured credit card debt:

As I stated, first, if you just stop paying, the only consequence is likely to be that they harass you with automated phone calls. It is very unlikely that Chase or Citibank will take the time to actually sue you in court.

Even if they do sue you, you can always file bankruptcy at the very last minute when they are knocking on your door to liquidate your stuff, except there's no need to even do that because unless you have hundreds of thousands of dollars of stuff, it's not worth it to them. You get to except up to $3500 in personal property even in a chapter 7 bankruptcy.

The bottom line is it's not real money--it's just pixels on a computer screen, literally. The only real money is human labor and the fruits of human labor: energy, food, and shelter. And durable goods that are useful, such as refridgerators, cars, guns, electric guitars, clothing, and washing machines.

EVEN IF it ever got to the point that the bank would bother to execute on a final judgment against you, that would be 3 years from now, and the worst case scenario then (in your mind) is that the sheriff comes in with a writ of execution and takes your guitar and sofa to sell at auction, which they'd never bother to do anyway because the american standard strat, as awesome as we all know it is, is only worth about $400 at auction or $600 or $800 now.

And in the intervening 3 years you might get back on your feet, or the fiat money system will finally collapse once and for all, in which case it also would have been a good idea to keep your durable goods acquired when you still could.

Even if the doomsday scenario is not real, which I hope it's not, again, if you sell your guitar NOW to raise a measly $650 drop in the bucket to give the bank NOW, you will have saved the bank from the work it has to do to bother (unlikely to do it) taking your guitar pursuant to a writ of execution THREE YEARS from now.

Keep your guitar if you are talking about credit card bills.

Yes, sell it if you are talking about rent, mortgage (and you don't want to lose the house because it's upside down), electric, water, or other necessities, such as potentially car payment.


It's actually my phone bill and I cannot live without a phone, required for work to have a way to get a hold of me.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:39 am
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I already took from my car payment to pay phone, now to cover the rest of the car payment. Luckily it does not come out until Monday.

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:40 am
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The Word and the Breath wrote:
If the bills about which you are talking are unsecured debt in the form of credit card bills and you carry a balance you'll never get out of with 18% interest, you should just stop paying those bills. Chances are your credit score is already bad. They'll never actually sue you--just harrass you with phone calls. You can live with that.

This is the worst advice Ive ever heard. They will sue you


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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:51 am
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tbazzone wrote:
The Word and the Breath wrote:
If the bills about which you are talking are unsecured debt in the form of credit card bills and you carry a balance you'll never get out of with 18% interest, you should just stop paying those bills. Chances are your credit score is already bad. They'll never actually sue you--just harrass you with phone calls. You can live with that.

This is the worst advice Ive ever heard. They will sue you



While I still have means to pay bills, I do. This had noting to do with credit, just someone hacking my Paypal. Be proactive if you have an account. As soon as the investigation is over, I will close my account.

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:23 am
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rkreisher wrote:
Unknown...still under investigation.

That's hopeless it really is. It makes me worry about online banking :( What do you think of that? I mean if they can hack your PP account, and it's reputedly 100% secure, then it makes me think that online banking is a risk not worth taking. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:57 pm
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The Word and the Breath wrote:
If the bills about which you are talking are unsecured debt in the form of credit card bills and you carry a balance you'll never get out of with 18% interest, you should just stop paying those bills. Chances are your credit score is already bad. They'll never actually sue you--just harrass you with phone calls. You can live with that.

Or he could, I don't know, do the Honest and Right Thing, and PAY HIS BILLS (kinda like he's doing?)...

As much as it sucks to have to sell a guitar to pay your bills, the OP's doing the right thing. This whole "Find a loophole and don't do what you should" crap is a burr under my saddle.

Yes, the banks are run by crooks. That doesn't make me less responsible for the money I spend or the the things I buy.

BTW, I have had to sell more than one guitar (and amp, and albums from my record collection and childhood toys that were collectible) and work more than one job at a time to pay my bills. As much as I hated to do it, I got over it...because I'm an adult, not a whiny teenager.

To the OP: This is not a criticism of you--it looks like you're doing the right thing. I'm criticizing W&B for encouraging the irresponsible "Occupy Wall Street" attitude he's promoting. I hope you can get the PayPal thing fixed very quickly.

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Post subject: Re: Hard Times Hit...Paypal nightmare
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:19 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
The Word and the Breath wrote:
If the bills about which you are talking are unsecured debt in the form of credit card bills and you carry a balance you'll never get out of with 18% interest, you should just stop paying those bills. Chances are your credit score is already bad. They'll never actually sue you--just harrass you with phone calls. You can live with that.

Or he could, I don't know, do the Honest and Right Thing, and PAY HIS BILLS (kinda like he's doing?)...

As much as it sucks to have to sell a guitar to pay your bills, the OP's doing the right thing. This whole "Find a loophole and don't do what you should" crap is a burr under my saddle.

Yes, the banks are run by crooks. That doesn't make me less responsible for the money I spend or the the things I buy.

BTW, I have had to sell more than one guitar (and amp, and albums from my record collection and childhood toys that were collectible) and work more than one job at a time to pay my bills. As much as I hated to do it, I got over it...because I'm an adult, not a whiny teenager.

To the OP: This is not a criticism of you--it looks like you're doing the right thing. I'm criticizing W&B for encouraging the irresponsible "Occupy Wall Street" attitude he's promoting. I hope you can get the PayPal thing fixed very quickly.

+1 you can do it. Most of us have been there.


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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:25 pm
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sucks, man... I spent a year and a half unemployed.... i got fired a month to the day after my daughter was born, and I had bought my dream guitar (after months and months of playing it at the store every chance i got) only 2 weeks before i got canned.... after a few months of struggling I sold both of my antique cars that I had thousands of dollars, blood ,sweat, and tears in.... lost my rear end in both of those sales, but...desperate times call for desperate measures,right? then a few months later I pawned the guitar.... it was a Fender Jaguar HH special edition (the black and chrome one) ... 250 $ for a 700 dollar guitar... sucked, but I had no options. had to buy groceries. even as necessary as all that was, i still hate myself a little bit.... so....yeah, don't do it unless you absolutely have to.
hope everything gets straightened out, man.

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